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From: Aimee Ronn
Date: Thu, Dec 04 2008 2:10PM
Subject: Accessibility conference coming up
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I work and volunteer for Knowbility. This email is to let you know that,
in January, Cal State is going to have a Web Accessibility Conference,
called "CalWAC", organized by Knowbility. This conference is for whoever
at a college and university - for example, secretaries, computer
programmers, deans - has to make their computers accessible to
students. Classes include practical instruction from basic
accessibility awareness and resources to advanced assessment techniques,
project management, and working with specific technologies such as Flash
and PDF.

Please pass this information on.

Thanks!
Aimee




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> 1. Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags? (Tessie Teoh)
> 2. Re: Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags? (Bill Mason)
> 3. Re: Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags? (Dean Hamack)
> 4. Re: Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags? (Cliff Tyllick)
> 5. Re: Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags?
> (Patrick H. Lauke)
> 6. Re: Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags? (Dean Hamack)
> 7. Re: Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags? (correction)
> (Dean Hamack)
> 8. Re: Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags?
> (Patrick H. Lauke)
> 9. first-hand experience with Adobe Flex (Jennison Mark Asuncion)
> 10. Re: Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags?
> (Waltenberger, Lon (LNI))
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> Subject:
> [WebAIM] Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags?
> From:
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> Hi,
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> We are currently programming a website and were wondering if we should
> wrap common abbreviations in corresponding tags, for example wrap "Jan"
> for January or "NSW" for New South Wales.
>
> Would this help screen reader users to understand pages better or would
> they be so familiar
> with these abbreviations that it would be unnecessary and annoying?
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> Thank you.
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> Cheers,
> Tessie
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> Tessie Teoh
> User Experience Architect
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> Subject:
> Re: [WebAIM] Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags?
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> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:21:29 -0800
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> Tessie Teoh wrote:
>> We are currently programming a website and were wondering if we
>> should wrap common abbreviations in corresponding tags, for example
>> wrap "Jan"
>> for January or "NSW" for New South Wales.
>
> I would just like to observe that "NSW" isn't common if you don't live
> in that geographical region. :) On a first skim, I thought it was a
> mistyped abbreviation for northwest or southwest.
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> Subject:
> Re: [WebAIM] Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags?
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> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:27:22 -0800
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> I have been. Particularly in the two cases you cite where "jan" could be
> confused for a person's name, and where a lot of people wouldn't know what
> "nsw" stands for (I didn't).
>
> Also a slight correction: multiple words spelled out with initials are
> acronyms (like New South Wales), not abbreviations.
>
> On 12/2/08 3:14 PM, "Tessie Teoh" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> We are currently programming a website and were wondering if we should
>> wrap common abbreviations in corresponding tags, for example wrap "Jan"
>> for January or "NSW" for New South Wales.
>>
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>
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> Subject:
> Re: [WebAIM] Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags?
> From:
> "Cliff Tyllick" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Date:
> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:44:49 -0600
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> Tessie, Bill is touching on context---and context is everything.
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> Your audience is part of that context. Your document is part of that context.
>
> Are we talking about flight schedules for Australia? Then, yes, I suspect that someone who has to hear the screen reader expand each three-letter entry in the "Day" row would be just as annoyed as my wife would be I read the schedule over her shoulder and said, "Sun---that's Sunday, dear!" (At this point, I would either have to duck or find accommodations with the dog---or both.)
>
> By the same token, "NSW" would make perfect sense to anyone who is familiar with Australia and is expecting to encounter an abbreviation for a state at that point in your document. Even those of us who aren't immediately familiar with Australia might recognize it if we encountered it just after the name of a city.
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> In another context, yes, you might want to expand those abbreviations. But I suspect it is sensible to assume that the same rules apply for the fully sighted and for those who rely on assistive technology---if one needs the expansion, the other does, too. If inserting the expansion would only annoy one, then it's also likely to annoy the other.
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> I realize that's not a hard and fast answer, but I hope it's one you can apply reasonably well.
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> Cliff Tyllick
> Web development coordinator
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>>>> Bill Mason < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > 12/2/2008 5:21 PM >>>
>>>>
> Tessie Teoh wrote:
>
>> We are currently programming a website and were wondering if we should
>> wrap common abbreviations in corresponding tags, for example wrap "Jan"
>> for January or "NSW" for New South Wales.
>>
>
> I would just like to observe that "NSW" isn't common if you don't live
> in that geographical region. :) On a first skim, I thought it was a
> mistyped abbreviation for northwest or southwest.
>
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> Subject:
> Re: [WebAIM] Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags?
> From:
> "Patrick H. Lauke" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Date:
> Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:26:05 +0000
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> Dean Hamack wrote:
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>> Also a slight correction: multiple words spelled out with initials are
>> acronyms (like New South Wales), not abbreviations.
>
> all acronyms are abbreviations, but not all abbreviations are acronyms...
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> Subject:
> Re: [WebAIM] Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags?
> From:
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> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:35:25 -0800
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> On 12/2/08 4:26 PM, "Patrick H. Lauke" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
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>> all acronyms are abbreviations, but not all abbreviations are acronyms...
>>
>
> --
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> Negative.
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> >From Dictionary.com:
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> Acronym:
> a word formed from the initial letters or groups of letters of words in a
> set phrase or series of words, as Wac from Women's Army Corps, OPEC from
> Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, or loran from long-range
> navigation.
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> Abbreviation:
> a shortened or contracted form of a word or phrase, used to represent the
> whole, as Dr. for Doctor, U.S. for United States, lb. for pound.
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> Subject:
> Re: [WebAIM] Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags? (correction)
> From:
> Dean Hamack < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Date:
> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:38:22 -0800
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> Scratch that, Patrick is correct. I missed the "United States" example in
> the abbreviation definition.
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> So I guess either is technically correct according to the definitions.
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> Subject:
> Re: [WebAIM] Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags?
> From:
> "Patrick H. Lauke" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
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> Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:41:01 +0000
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> Dean Hamack wrote:
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>> Acronym:
>> a word formed from the initial letters or groups of letters of words
>> in a
>> set phrase or series of words
>
>> Abbreviation:
>> a shortened or contracted form of a word or phrase, used to represent
>> the
>> whole
>
> so you're saying that a word formed from the initial letters or groups
> of letters of words in a set phrase or series of words isn't a
> shortened or contracted form of a phrase, used to represent the whole?
>
> P
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> Subject:
> [WebAIM] first-hand experience with Adobe Flex
> From:
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> (*Apologies for the cross-posting.)
> Hello,
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> I'd be interested in hearing from anyone (on/off list) who has
> first-hand experience developing an accessible web application using
> Adobe Flex. In addition to overall "what worked," "what were the
> constraints," and "lessons learned," in terms of building to Adobe's
> accessibility techniques, I am interested in any feedback on how JAWS,
> ZoomText, and/or Dragon performed with your final product.
>
> Thanks,
> Jennison
>
> Jennison Asuncion
> Co-Director, Adaptech Research Network http://www.adaptech.org
> LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/jennison
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> Subject:
> Re: [WebAIM] Should we wrap common abbreviations in tags?
> From:
> "Waltenberger, Lon (LNI)" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Date:
> Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:51:32 -0800
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> You might like this 2006 in depth discussion of the issue at
> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/hattrick#IRS.
>
> We've found that it's best to keep it simple and follow Gregg's
> Reference Manual without tags.
>
> It can become overly complex especially if you delve into the
> differences and similarities of abbreviations, initialisms, and
> acronyms. Most folks know all 3 as acronyms.
>
> Additionally, screen readers can mess with abbreviations and initialisms
> by trying to pronounce them phonetically as a word or acronym. Even the
> pronunciation of acronyms can be confusing. Some try to avoid this by
> using periods or spaces after each letter. Each option has its own
> issues.
>
> Then there're the issues of deprecation and mixed support in browsers
> and upcoming versions of HTML.
>
> We chose a simple convention based on Gregg's.
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> Hope that helps or makes some sense to you.
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