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From: Dean Hamack
Date: Thu, Jan 22 2009 6:55PM
Subject: Request for a screenreader test
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A while back, someone posted a link to an article called "The Sound of the
Accessible Title Text Separator". That got me thinking how annoying it must
be to have to listen to "right double angle bracket" and "left double angle
bracket" over and over again.

So I've created a test page that uses CSS to write the characters in. I know
it won't work on Internet Explorer, but I'm wondering if someone who uses
Firefox in conjunction with a screen reader can test this page out and see
if the screenreader still announces the characters:

http://bushidodesigns.net/test/sc.htm

From: Mackenzie, Hamish
Date: Thu, Jan 22 2009 7:00PM
Subject: Re: Request for a screenreader test
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Hi

checked with Jaws 10 and all is good.

Regs

H

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Sent: Friday, 23 January 2009 12:45 PM
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Subject: [WebAIM] Request for a screenreader test

A while back, someone posted a link to an article called "The Sound of
the Accessible Title Text Separator". That got me thinking how annoying
it must be to have to listen to "right double angle bracket" and "left
double angle bracket" over and over again.

So I've created a test page that uses CSS to write the characters in. I
know it won't work on Internet Explorer, but I'm wondering if someone
who uses Firefox in conjunction with a screen reader can test this page
out and see if the screenreader still announces the characters:

http://bushidodesigns.net/test/sc.htm

From: Dean Hamack
Date: Thu, Jan 22 2009 9:00PM
Subject: Re: Request for a screenreader test
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Excellent. That's what I wanted to hear. That means developers can add all
those fancy characters with CSS, rather than including them in the code. But
as usual, the only problem is Internet Explorer.


On 1/22/09 5:58 PM, "Mackenzie, Hamish" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi
>
> checked with Jaws 10 and all is good.
>
> Regs
>
> H
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Dean Hamack
> Sent: Friday, 23 January 2009 12:45 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Request for a screenreader test
>
> A while back, someone posted a link to an article called "The Sound of
> the Accessible Title Text Separator". That got me thinking how annoying
> it must be to have to listen to "right double angle bracket" and "left
> double angle bracket" over and over again.
>
> So I've created a test page that uses CSS to write the characters in. I
> know it won't work on Internet Explorer, but I'm wondering if someone
> who uses Firefox in conjunction with a screen reader can test this page
> out and see if the screenreader still announces the characters:
>
> http://bushidodesigns.net/test/sc.htm
>
>
>

From: Chris Hoffman
Date: Thu, Jan 22 2009 9:10PM
Subject: Re: Request for a screenreader test
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Dean Hamack < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Excellent. That's what I wanted to hear. That means developers can add all
> those fancy characters with CSS, rather than including them in the code. But
> as usual, the only problem is Internet Explorer.

Hi Dean,

My fear with this approach would be that shortly after IE starts
supporting CSS content, JAWS and other screenreaders will follow suit,
and we'd be back in the same boat. Maybe even sooner, since the JAWS
10 docs seem to make quite a big deal about its compatibility with
Firefox 3.

--Chris

From: Dean Hamack
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:35AM
Subject: Re: Request for a screenreader test
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That's certainly possible. But the only alternative is to use background
images. Both have their disadvantages.


On 1/22/09 8:08 PM, "Chris Hoffman" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> My fear with this approach would be that shortly after IE starts
> supporting CSS content, JAWS and other screenreaders will follow suit,
> and we'd be back in the same boat. Maybe even sooner, since the JAWS
> 10 docs seem to make quite a big deal about its compatibility with
> Firefox 3.

From: Léonie Watson
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 1:40AM
Subject: Re: Request for a screenreader test
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"So I've created a test page that uses CSS to write the characters in. I know it won't work on Internet Explorer, but I'm wondering if someone who uses Firefox in conjunction with a screen reader can test this page out and see if the screenreader still announces the characters:"

It works perfectly with Firefox 3.x, and Window Eyes 7+, or Jaws 7.1+. Tried various punctuation settings in Jaws, just to be on the safe side, but the angle brackets are not reported. The cleaner output is great.


Regards,
Léonie.

--
Nomensa - humanising technology

Léonie Watson | Director of Accessibility
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Dean Hamack
Sent: 23 January 2009 01:45
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] Request for a screenreader test

A while back, someone posted a link to an article called "The Sound of the Accessible Title Text Separator". That got me thinking how annoying it must be to have to listen to "right double angle bracket" and "left double angle bracket" over and over again.

So I've created a test page that uses CSS to write the characters in. I know it won't work on Internet Explorer, but I'm wondering if someone who uses Firefox in conjunction with a screen reader can test this page out and see if the screenreader still announces the characters:

http://bushidodesigns.net/test/sc.htm

From: Peter Krantz
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 1:55AM
Subject: Re: Request for a screenreader test
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Dean Hamack wrote:
"That's certainly possible. But the only alternative is to use
background images. Both have their disadvantages."

This is an interesting topic. I assume scaling is one of your concerns
with bitmap images? As a previous poster noted, as CSS content becomes
possible in IE I guess it is only a matter of time before makers of
assistive devices include support for it. At that time your page may
become more difficult to parse.

At the same IE is the only major browser that does not support inline
SVG. Maybe you could try out SVG as an option? It should scale and
print well and is unlikely to become problematic in the future. Also,
it gives you a greater freedom to design your arrows exactly the way
you like.

Regards,

Peter Krantz
http://www.standards-schmandards.com

From: smithj7@peoplepc.com
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 2:55PM
Subject: Re: Request for a screenreader test
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Do you have a window eye's users to test as well? Recently, I made a flash presentation that worked with JAWS 10 and didn't work with Windows Eyes. I did it in the old version of presentor with a very clean powerpoint.
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From: Dean Hamack
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Request for a screenreader test


Excellent. That's what I wanted to hear. That means developers can add all
those fancy characters with CSS, rather than including them in the code. But
as usual, the only problem is Internet Explorer.


On 1/22/09 5:58 PM, "Mackenzie, Hamish" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi
>
> checked with Jaws 10 and all is good.
>
> Regs
>
> H
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Dean Hamack
> Sent: Friday, 23 January 2009 12:45 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Request for a screenreader test
>
> A while back, someone posted a link to an article called "The Sound of
> the Accessible Title Text Separator". That got me thinking how annoying
> it must be to have to listen to "right double angle bracket" and "left
> double angle bracket" over and over again.
>
> So I've created a test page that uses CSS to write the characters in. I
> know it won't work on Internet Explorer, but I'm wondering if someone
> who uses Firefox in conjunction with a screen reader can test this page
> out and see if the screenreader still announces the characters:
>
> http://bushidodesigns.net/test/sc.htm
>
>
>

From: Dean Hamack
Date: Sat, Jan 24 2009 2:20AM
Subject: Re: Request for a screenreader test
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I don't have access to either, so I'm looking for input from any
screenreader users.


On 1/23/09 1:50 PM, " = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = " < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Do you have a window eye's users to test as well? Recently, I made a flash
> presentation that worked with JAWS 10 and didn't work with Windows Eyes. I
> did it in the old version of presentor with a very clean powerpoint.