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From: Randi
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 10:55AM
Subject: Captia/security boxes
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Hi all,
I'm sure you're familiar with those stupid captia boxes, where you
must type the letters you see to prove you'r not a spammer. Most have
a "listen to this" option but I haven't even figured those out. I
tried to sign up for a twitter and could not get past their listen
option. It says to type the 2 words, but it gives me an entire phrase
when I listen. Does anyone know a work around?
Also, I've heard of some sites simply asking a question like, what
color is grass? If I were to write to sites that have these
inaccessible or confusing captias, might I suggest an alternative? Are
the open to that sort of thing? I had a sighted friend help set up
Facebook, and they have an option to reply to a text message to
eliminate further captias. This is great, but I needed a sighted
person to help set it up.
I'd like to get a twitter to see what all the fuss is about, but I'm stuck.
Thanks,
Randi
--
I'm not disabled, my eyes are. ;)
From: John E. Brandt
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 11:30AM
Subject: Re: Captia/security boxes
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Randi
CAPTCHA is an acronym for "Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell
Computers and Humans Apart." They have been a burr in the backside for some
time. I am not sure if there is a universally acceptable solution yet, but
your idea of a simple question that a robot could not correctly reply to has
been suggested.
Here is a nice review of the issue dating back to 2005
http://www.standards-schmandards.com/2005/captcha/
You can also search through Google using the terms "accessible captcha" and
read some of the other articles about this.
I'm not sure what to do about the Twitter thing. I listed to the auditory
captcha and couldn't figure out what they were saying. Maybe Dennis Lembree
who developed Accessible Twitter has a solution - you can reach him at
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John E. Brandt
Web Design, Development, Consultation
Augusta, Maine USA
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Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:55 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] Captia/security boxes
Hi all,
I'm sure you're familiar with those stupid captia boxes, where you
must type the letters you see to prove you'r not a spammer. Most have
a "listen to this" option but I haven't even figured those out. I
tried to sign up for a twitter and could not get past their listen
option. It says to type the 2 words, but it gives me an entire phrase
when I listen. Does anyone know a work around?
Also, I've heard of some sites simply asking a question like, what
color is grass? If I were to write to sites that have these
inaccessible or confusing captias, might I suggest an alternative? Are
the open to that sort of thing? I had a sighted friend help set up
Facebook, and they have an option to reply to a text message to
eliminate further captias. This is great, but I needed a sighted
person to help set it up.
I'd like to get a twitter to see what all the fuss is about, but I'm stuck.
Thanks,
Randi
--
I'm not disabled, my eyes are. ;)
From: Patrick Burke
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 11:35AM
Subject: Re: Captia/security boxes
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Hi Randi,
Twitter is using the Recaptcha service for its captchas. So the
mystery text/sounds are taken from historical documents or audio.
That means the audio is very hard to figure out! You might have to
try numerous times before you get an understandable one.
Patrick
At 09:55 AM 3/23/2009, Randi wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm sure you're familiar with those stupid captia boxes, where you
>must type the letters you see to prove you'r not a spammer. Most have
>a "listen to this" option but I haven't even figured those out. I
>tried to sign up for a twitter and could not get past their listen
>option. It says to type the 2 words, but it gives me an entire phrase
>when I listen. Does anyone know a work around?
>
>Also, I've heard of some sites simply asking a question like, what
>color is grass? If I were to write to sites that have these
>inaccessible or confusing captias, might I suggest an alternative? Are
>the open to that sort of thing? I had a sighted friend help set up
>Facebook, and they have an option to reply to a text message to
>eliminate further captias. This is great, but I needed a sighted
>person to help set it up.
>
>I'd like to get a twitter to see what all the fuss is about, but I'm stuck.
>
>Thanks,
>Randi
>
From: Stephan Wehner
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 11:40AM
Subject: Re: Captia/security boxes
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On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Randi < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm sure you're familiar with those stupid captia boxes, where you
CAPTCHA is an acronym for
Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart
wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha
> must type the letters you see to prove you'r not a spammer. Most have
> a "listen to this" option but I haven't even figured those out. I
> tried to sign up for a twitter and could not get past their listen
> option. It says to type the 2 words, but it gives me an entire phrase
> when I listen. Does anyone know a work around?
>
> Also, I've heard of some sites simply asking a question like, what
> color is grass? If I were to write to sites that have these
> inaccessible or confusing captias, might I suggest an alternative? Are
> the open to that sort of thing? I had a sighted friend help set up
> Facebook, and they have an option to reply to a text message to
> eliminate further captias. This is great, but I needed a sighted
> person to help set it up.
I think most sites would be open to a suggestion. But it is not known
how to solve the problem.
The problem is that spammers target websites that perform automated
comment-posts or automated sign-ups.
Their programs post all kinds of nonsense comments or articles, often
with links to irrelevant sites that they operate.
(I'm sorry I couldn't find an example victim site for you)
Websites of course want ordinary people to contribute or sign-up, but
how does one recognize and block spammers?
The ordinary CAPTCHA's you mention kind of work for sighted people,
but not that well either.
How to allow the blind to participate while preventing spammers? If
you have an idea, feel free to let me know (or this list)
Stephan
> I'd like to get a twitter to see what all the fuss is about, but I'm stuck.
>
> Thanks,
> Randi
>
> --
> I'm not disabled, my eyes are. ;)
>
From: Randi
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 1:00PM
Subject: Re: Captia/security boxes
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Thank you everyone for your replies. I'm going to email the accessible
twitter guy and see what he says. I'm glad I now know the acronym for
those gnarly boxes haha. I will be thinking of ideas for another way
to prevent spammers.
It used to happen on myspace all the time even though they had the
boxes. You'd get a post from someone and if you followed the link it
allowed for phishing. So I'm familiear with why they use them but man
they're next to impossible. With the Twitter listen to option, I could
make out the words, but it gave a whole phrase, yet only wanted 2
words typed so it just didn't work. I'll write that guy and see what
he says.
Seriously, I think the asking of a simple question would solve
it....are computers that smart?
On 3/23/09, Stephan Wehner < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Randi < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm sure you're familiar with those stupid captia boxes, where you
>
> CAPTCHA is an acronym for
>
> Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart
>
> wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha
>
>> must type the letters you see to prove you'r not a spammer. Most have
>> a "listen to this" option but I haven't even figured those out. I
>> tried to sign up for a twitter and could not get past their listen
>> option. It says to type the 2 words, but it gives me an entire phrase
>> when I listen. Does anyone know a work around?
>>
>> Also, I've heard of some sites simply asking a question like, what
>> color is grass? If I were to write to sites that have these
>> inaccessible or confusing captias, might I suggest an alternative? Are
>> the open to that sort of thing? I had a sighted friend help set up
>> Facebook, and they have an option to reply to a text message to
>> eliminate further captias. This is great, but I needed a sighted
>> person to help set it up.
>
> I think most sites would be open to a suggestion. But it is not known
> how to solve the problem.
>
> The problem is that spammers target websites that perform automated
> comment-posts or automated sign-ups.
> Their programs post all kinds of nonsense comments or articles, often
> with links to irrelevant sites that they operate.
> (I'm sorry I couldn't find an example victim site for you)
>
> Websites of course want ordinary people to contribute or sign-up, but
> how does one recognize and block spammers?
> The ordinary CAPTCHA's you mention kind of work for sighted people,
> but not that well either.
>
> How to allow the blind to participate while preventing spammers? If
> you have an idea, feel free to let me know (or this list)
>
> Stephan
>
>
>> I'd like to get a twitter to see what all the fuss is about, but I'm
>> stuck.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Randi
>>
>> --
>> I'm not disabled, my eyes are. ;)
>>
From: Randi
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 1:05PM
Subject: Re: Captia/security boxes
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Hmmm I wonder if there is one for Safari? I don't use Mozilla, in fact
I think its incapatible with Voiceover.
On 3/23/09, Randi < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thank you everyone for your replies. I'm going to email the accessible
> twitter guy and see what he says. I'm glad I now know the acronym for
> those gnarly boxes haha. I will be thinking of ideas for another way
> to prevent spammers.
>
> It used to happen on myspace all the time even though they had the
> boxes. You'd get a post from someone and if you followed the link it
> allowed for phishing. So I'm familiear with why they use them but man
> they're next to impossible. With the Twitter listen to option, I could
> make out the words, but it gave a whole phrase, yet only wanted 2
> words typed so it just didn't work. I'll write that guy and see what
> he says.
>
> Seriously, I think the asking of a simple question would solve
> it....are computers that smart?
>
> On 3/23/09, Stephan Wehner < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Randi < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm sure you're familiar with those stupid captia boxes, where you
>>
>> CAPTCHA is an acronym for
>>
>> Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans
>> Apart
>>
>> wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha
>>
>>> must type the letters you see to prove you'r not a spammer. Most have
>>> a "listen to this" option but I haven't even figured those out. I
>>> tried to sign up for a twitter and could not get past their listen
>>> option. It says to type the 2 words, but it gives me an entire phrase
>>> when I listen. Does anyone know a work around?
>>>
>>> Also, I've heard of some sites simply asking a question like, what
>>> color is grass? If I were to write to sites that have these
>>> inaccessible or confusing captias, might I suggest an alternative? Are
>>> the open to that sort of thing? I had a sighted friend help set up
>>> Facebook, and they have an option to reply to a text message to
>>> eliminate further captias. This is great, but I needed a sighted
>>> person to help set it up.
>>
>> I think most sites would be open to a suggestion. But it is not known
>> how to solve the problem.
>>
>> The problem is that spammers target websites that perform automated
>> comment-posts or automated sign-ups.
>> Their programs post all kinds of nonsense comments or articles, often
>> with links to irrelevant sites that they operate.
>> (I'm sorry I couldn't find an example victim site for you)
>>
>> Websites of course want ordinary people to contribute or sign-up, but
>> how does one recognize and block spammers?
>> The ordinary CAPTCHA's you mention kind of work for sighted people,
>> but not that well either.
>>
>> How to allow the blind to participate while preventing spammers? If
>> you have an idea, feel free to let me know (or this list)
>>
>> Stephan
>>
>>
>>> I'd like to get a twitter to see what all the fuss is about, but I'm
>>> stuck.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Randi
>>>
>>> --
>>> I'm not disabled, my eyes are. ;)
>>>
From: Owens, Parker
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 1:10PM
Subject: Re: Captia/security boxes
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There is a plug in for Mozilla called WebVisum that works really well to decode visual captchas and return code to you.
Parker Owens
Web Accessibility Office
Eastern Kentucky University
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Richmond, KY 40475
Phone: (859) 622-2743
http://www.accessibility.eku.edu
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From: Randi [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:55 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] Captia/security boxes
Hi all,
I'm sure you're familiar with those stupid captia boxes, where you
must type the letters you see to prove you'r not a spammer. Most have
a "listen to this" option but I haven't even figured those out. I
tried to sign up for a twitter and could not get past their listen
option. It says to type the 2 words, but it gives me an entire phrase
when I listen. Does anyone know a work around?
Also, I've heard of some sites simply asking a question like, what
color is grass? If I were to write to sites that have these
inaccessible or confusing captias, might I suggest an alternative? Are
the open to that sort of thing? I had a sighted friend help set up
Facebook, and they have an option to reply to a text message to
eliminate further captias. This is great, but I needed a sighted
person to help set it up.
I'd like to get a twitter to see what all the fuss is about, but I'm stuck.
Thanks,
Randi
--
I'm not disabled, my eyes are. ;)
From: Randi
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 3:20PM
Subject: Re: Captia/security boxes
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I've been emailing with the guy at accessibletwitter.com. He went to
the twitter site to test the whole captcha thing and found the same
problem I did. So he copied his reply to me and my message to
Twitter's CEO. He has made an accessible twitter but I was sad to find
that I cannot sign up on the accessible twitter site, so I'm still
stuck as far as the ability to sign up without a sited person. But he,
we got the CEO invloved. Tee hee, I'm liking this accessibility stuff.
On 3/23/09, Randi < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hmmm I wonder if there is one for Safari? I don't use Mozilla, in fact
> I think its incapatible with Voiceover.
>
> On 3/23/09, Randi < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Thank you everyone for your replies. I'm going to email the accessible
>> twitter guy and see what he says. I'm glad I now know the acronym for
>> those gnarly boxes haha. I will be thinking of ideas for another way
>> to prevent spammers.
>>
>> It used to happen on myspace all the time even though they had the
>> boxes. You'd get a post from someone and if you followed the link it
>> allowed for phishing. So I'm familiear with why they use them but man
>> they're next to impossible. With the Twitter listen to option, I could
>> make out the words, but it gave a whole phrase, yet only wanted 2
>> words typed so it just didn't work. I'll write that guy and see what
>> he says.
>>
>> Seriously, I think the asking of a simple question would solve
>> it....are computers that smart?
>>
>> On 3/23/09, Stephan Wehner < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Randi < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you're familiar with those stupid captia boxes, where you
>>>
>>> CAPTCHA is an acronym for
>>>
>>> Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans
>>> Apart
>>>
>>> wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha
>>>
>>>> must type the letters you see to prove you'r not a spammer. Most have
>>>> a "listen to this" option but I haven't even figured those out. I
>>>> tried to sign up for a twitter and could not get past their listen
>>>> option. It says to type the 2 words, but it gives me an entire phrase
>>>> when I listen. Does anyone know a work around?
>>>>
>>>> Also, I've heard of some sites simply asking a question like, what
>>>> color is grass? If I were to write to sites that have these
>>>> inaccessible or confusing captias, might I suggest an alternative? Are
>>>> the open to that sort of thing? I had a sighted friend help set up
>>>> Facebook, and they have an option to reply to a text message to
>>>> eliminate further captias. This is great, but I needed a sighted
>>>> person to help set it up.
>>>
>>> I think most sites would be open to a suggestion. But it is not known
>>> how to solve the problem.
>>>
>>> The problem is that spammers target websites that perform automated
>>> comment-posts or automated sign-ups.
>>> Their programs post all kinds of nonsense comments or articles, often
>>> with links to irrelevant sites that they operate.
>>> (I'm sorry I couldn't find an example victim site for you)
>>>
>>> Websites of course want ordinary people to contribute or sign-up, but
>>> how does one recognize and block spammers?
>>> The ordinary CAPTCHA's you mention kind of work for sighted people,
>>> but not that well either.
>>>
>>> How to allow the blind to participate while preventing spammers? If
>>> you have an idea, feel free to let me know (or this list)
>>>
>>> Stephan
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'd like to get a twitter to see what all the fuss is about, but I'm
>>>> stuck.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Randi
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> I'm not disabled, my eyes are. ;)
>>>>
From: Cliff Tyllick
Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 11:10AM
Subject: Re: Captia/security boxes
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Randi, if I knew a workaround from the customer's end, I would use it. Every site that has one of those nuisances should have a prominently featured alternative for people who can't succeed. And others on this list can testify, there are other highly effective ways to trap spambots without annoying real people at all.
I see perfectly well with my glasses on, and I still don't get all the visual captchas right. So once I tried an audio captcha. I couldn't hear it well enough to answer, and I don't need a hearing aid.
As you note, even when the captcha is based on seemingly simple questions, the correct answers aren't always obvious to everyone. "What color is grass?" Well, in most of Texas right now, the correct answer is "brown." If we don't get rain soon, the answer might be, "Huh? What's 'grass'?"
Most of us here are trying to remove this obstacle to access. If you can contact the owner of the site, let them know your displeasure.
Cliff
>>> Randi < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > 3/23/2009 11:55 AM >>>
Hi all,
I'm sure you're familiar with those stupid captia boxes, where you
must type the letters you see to prove you'r not a spammer. Most have
a "listen to this" option but I haven't even figured those out. I
tried to sign up for a twitter and could not get past their listen
option. It says to type the 2 words, but it gives me an entire phrase
when I listen. Does anyone know a work around?
Also, I've heard of some sites simply asking a question like, what
color is grass? If I were to write to sites that have these
inaccessible or confusing captias, might I suggest an alternative? Are
the open to that sort of thing? I had a sighted friend help set up
Facebook, and they have an option to reply to a text message to
eliminate further captias. This is great, but I needed a sighted
person to help set it up.
I'd like to get a twitter to see what all the fuss is about, but I'm stuck.
Thanks,
Randi
--
I'm not disabled, my eyes are. ;)
From: Rakesh Chowdary Paladugula
Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 10:30PM
Subject: Re: Captia/security boxes
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Hai all,
I recently visited the website
http://web.guidelines.gov.in/
and am able to register with the site . They introduced a new pattern
to prevent spam. A screen reader user can enjoy it.
I am not much knowledge about it but hope may help you all.
--
Thanks & regards
Rakesh
Iridium Interactive Limited
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Srinagar Colony,
Hyderabad - 500 073
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From: Randi
Date: Wed, Apr 01 2009 6:00PM
Subject: Re: Captia/security boxes
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Hi guys and thanks for your replies. I've tried contacting sites
several times and never hear back. I am truly grateful to those of you
who care enough to make the web accessible for screenreaders and such.
It doesn't seem like there are too many of you out there. But just one
can make a difference right?
Thanks again,
Randi
On 3/24/09, Rakesh Chowdary Paladugula < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hai all,
>
> I recently visited the website
> http://web.guidelines.gov.in/
> and am able to register with the site . They introduced a new pattern
> to prevent spam. A screen reader user can enjoy it.
>
> I am not much knowledge about it but hope may help you all.
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks & regards
> Rakesh
> Iridium Interactive Limited
> 8-3-1084/1 & 1A,
> Srinagar Colony,
> Hyderabad - 500 073
> Mobile: +91 99662 69777
> Tel :: +91 40 6557 7602, 2373 0266
> Fax :: +91 40 2373 0537
> website: http://www.iridiuminteractive.com
> Hyderabad :: Noida :: London :: New York :: Los Angeles
>
> To know more about me log on to http://rakeshpaladugula.blog.co.in
>