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From: Nick Wilson
Date: Sun, Mar 10 2002 4:06AM
Subject: printable pages and text sizing
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Hi
I'm involved in discussion about printable pages using css and one of
the guys there uses points for the text units when he does this.
That doesn't seem particularly thoughtful to me as I would expect the
printed page to reflect what I had on screen. ie. if I had the text up
large on screen I'd rather expect it to print that way.
Just wondered what the groups views and experiences might be as I've not
really done this myself?
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From: Holly Marie
Date: Sun, Mar 10 2002 7:13AM
Subject: Re: printable pages and text sizing
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From: "Nick Wilson"
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> Hi
> I'm involved in discussion about printable pages using css and one of
> the guys there uses points for the text units when he does this.
>
> That doesn't seem particularly thoughtful to me as I would expect the
> printed page to reflect what I had on screen. ie. if I had the text up
> large on screen I'd rather expect it to print that way.
>
> Just wondered what the groups views and experiences might be as I've
not
> really done this myself?
>
I believe you have a point about pt use here.
I wonder if a better option than the @media print, which does not work
with many browsers, wpuld be to have a link for print version? This way
a user that may have experienced printing a document with that type of
link, may be aware that he or she is about to get a universal printed
copy with text that might be standard to a normal population. These
users could instead opt to print from a browser view?
Good point, Nick, and one I had not really thought about here.
I have not changed to points, to offer a print version of a web page,
and when I had used print / text only version, I had still left the ems
or percentage in place but offered up a linear layout of such a page in
black and white mode[no tables and maybe a layout similar to what a lynx
browser would display. This version had no images or colors. Now, I
wonder what the consensus is about offer of a print version or coding a
print version differently? I wonder if the WAI offers some information
on this?
What about PDF documents, does the zoom affect the printed page? Can you
print a PDF with larger text? I know PDF can have several accessibility
issues, including usability for a normal audience, but it is a very
often used as the format for documents on the Net.
Off topic, but maybe of some use, a recipe web site I had once seen
online. It offers variations on how to print these recipe cards by size
of card, and may or may not also offer a variation on text print sizing.
holly
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From: Holly Marie
Date: Sun, Mar 10 2002 10:11AM
Subject: Re: printable pages and text sizing
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From: "Holly Marie"
> > Hi
> > I'm involved in discussion about printable pages using css and one
of
> > the guys there uses points for the text units when he does this.
> >
> > That doesn't seem particularly thoughtful to me as I would expect
the
> > printed page to reflect what I had on screen. ie. if I had the text
up
> > large on screen I'd rather expect it to print that way.
> >
> > Just wondered what the groups views and experiences might be as I've
> not
> > really done this myself?
> >
>
>
> I believe you have a point about pt use here.
>
> I wonder if a better option than the @media print, which does not work
> with many browsers, wpuld be to have a link for print version? This
way
> a user that may have experienced printing a document with that type of
> link, may be aware that he or she is about to get a universal printed
> copy with text that might be standard to a normal population. These
> users could instead opt to print from a browser view?
>
> Good point, Nick, and one I had not really thought about here.
I looked at webaim.org for the way they approached the print option and
I like the solution.
I have looked all over the net for this information and keep running
into dead ends.
If you click on the printer option on the front page, it loads a new
page. It has its own css for print. This CSS does not size fonts in PTs
at all and leaves it not only relative but up to the browser settings
for print or user choice.
I believe this, so far, is the best option I have seen out there.
here is the complete style sheet code for the printer version for the
home page
body {
background: #ffffff;
font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;
color: #000000;
}
#legalities {
font-size: 0.8em;
}
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This leaves it in the choice and settings the user has picked, strips
the color out, and only sizes the copyright or other info down to 0.8em,
which remember is 0.8em, of the user choice.
holly
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From: Patricia Chadwick
Date: Wed, Mar 13 2002 1:31PM
Subject: Tabbing in Netscape
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I'm trying to re-do my web site using CSS and layers. When I bring up
the site in Netscape (4.6 or 6.2) and try to tab through the links it
doesn't work. Pressing tab does nothing. It works okay in Internet
Explorer. I'm using the tabindex attribute in the <a tags. Tabbing
through a page without layers works ok in Netscape. Anyone know what I
can do to fix this?
Thanks, Pat
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From: Holly Marie
Date: Wed, Mar 13 2002 2:24PM
Subject: Re: Tabbing in Netscape
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From: "Patricia Chadwick"
> I'm trying to re-do my web site using CSS and layers. When I bring up
> the site in Netscape (4.6 or 6.2) and try to tab through the links it
> doesn't work. Pressing tab does nothing. It works okay in Internet
> Explorer. I'm using the tabindex attribute in the <a tags. Tabbing
> through a page without layers works ok in Netscape. Anyone know what
I
> can do to fix this?
>
Pat do you have a link so I can see the code?
offlist is ok, too
I know I put links in a layer for a page I did, however, I did not use
DW, and tabbing seemed fine in NN4 and NN6, though I am curious and
wonder what the differences are, myself.
holly
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From: Paul Bohman
Date: Wed, Mar 13 2002 3:59PM
Subject: RE: Tabbing in Netscape
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This is a bug in Netscape. Whenever absolute-positioned div tags are
used, the keyboard accessibility in Netscape is destroyed. I've had
better luck with other CSS styles, but the absolute positioning style is
problematic for this reason.
Paul Bohman
Technology Coordinator
WebAIM (Web Accessibility in Mind)
www.webaim.org
Center for Persons with Disabilities
www.cpd.usu.edu
Utah State University
www.usu.edu
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From: Patricia Chadwick [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:31 PM
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Subject: Tabbing in Netscape
I'm trying to re-do my web site using CSS and layers. When I bring up
the site in Netscape (4.6 or 6.2) and try to tab through the links it
doesn't work. Pressing tab does nothing. It works okay in Internet
Explorer. I'm using the tabindex attribute in the <a tags. Tabbing
through a page without layers works ok in Netscape. Anyone know what I
can do to fix this?
Thanks, Pat
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From: Patricia Chadwick
Date: Wed, Mar 13 2002 4:16PM
Subject: RE: Tabbing in Netscape
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Paul,
Thanks for the information. I am using absolute-positioned div tags, so
that must be the problem.
Pat
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From: Paul Bohman [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Tabbing in Netscape
This is a bug in Netscape. Whenever absolute-positioned div tags are
used, the keyboard accessibility in Netscape is destroyed. I've had
better luck with other CSS styles, but the absolute positioning style is
problematic for this reason.
Paul Bohman
Technology Coordinator
WebAIM (Web Accessibility in Mind)
www.webaim.org
Center for Persons with Disabilities
www.cpd.usu.edu
Utah State University
www.usu.edu
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