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From: Tania
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 1:51AM
Subject: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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I came across a website that does not label graphics/photos with alt text. They used empty quote marks like this:

alt= ""



The graphics were positioned using CSS.

With the above combination, I found that

1.. JAWS do not identify the graphics at all when navigating with arrow keys.
2.. Clicking on the graphic with a mouse and invoking the JAWS 'LABEL GRAPHIC function' produced message that said "the cursor is not positioned on a graphic."


QUESTION:

In such an instance, other than asking the website to rectify codes in their webpage, how else can screenreader users get label for the graphics ?



thanks

tania

From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 8:57PM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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Was the alt="" on all or just one? When alt="" is used we call this a
null alt, it should be used on decorative images, or things such as
spacers.

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Ryan E. Benson



On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Tania < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>
> I came across a website that does not label graphics/photos with alt text. They used empty quote marks like this:
>
> alt= ""
>
>
>
> The graphics were positioned using CSS.
>
> With the above combination, I found that
>
>  1.. JAWS do not identify the graphics at all when navigating with arrow keys.
>  2.. Clicking on the graphic with a mouse and invoking the JAWS 'LABEL GRAPHIC function' produced message that said "the cursor is not positioned on a graphic."
>
>
> QUESTION:
>
> In such an instance, other than asking the website to rectify codes in their webpage, how else can screenreader users get label for the graphics ?
>
>
>
> thanks
>
> tania
>

From: Tania
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 10:24PM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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it is a security feature that users of that site have to click to verify
their identity.


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From: "Ryan E. Benson" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


Was the alt="" on all or just one? When alt="" is used we call this a
null alt, it should be used on decorative images, or things such as
spacers.

--
Ryan E. Benson



On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Tania < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>
> I came across a website that does not label graphics/photos with alt text.
> They used empty quote marks like this:
>
> alt= ""
>
>
>
> The graphics were positioned using CSS.
>
> With the above combination, I found that
>
> 1.. JAWS do not identify the graphics at all when navigating with arrow
> keys.
> 2.. Clicking on the graphic with a mouse and invoking the JAWS 'LABEL
> GRAPHIC function' produced message that said "the cursor is not positioned
> on a graphic."
>
>
> QUESTION:
>
> In such an instance, other than asking the website to rectify codes in
> their webpage, how else can screenreader users get label for the graphics
> ?
>
>
>
> thanks
>
> tania
>

From: John Hicks
Date: Tue, Apr 19 2011 2:39AM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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Are you sure that the screen reader needs to know about these graphics?
Sounds like they are neither functional nor information bearing to me.

Are they just background images and/or decoration?


Le 18/04/2011 09:48, Tania a écrit :
>
>
> I came across a website that does not label graphics/photos with alt text. They used empty quote marks like this:
>
> alt= ""
>
>
>
> The graphics were positioned using CSS.
>
> With the above combination, I found that
>
> 1.. JAWS do not identify the graphics at all when navigating with arrow keys.
> 2.. Clicking on the graphic with a mouse and invoking the JAWS 'LABEL GRAPHIC function' produced message that said "the cursor is not positioned on a graphic."
>
>
> QUESTION:
>
> In such an instance, other than asking the website to rectify codes in their webpage, how else can screenreader users get label for the graphics ?
>
>
>
> thanks
>
> tania
>

From: John Hicks
Date: Tue, Apr 19 2011 6:03AM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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Please ignore my reply, which was written before I had received the
important info about this!
So, it is part of the Login Procedure... can't get more critical than
that, that is for sure
good day

Le 19/04/2011 09:41, John Hicks a écrit :
> Are you sure that the screen reader needs to know about these graphics?
> Sounds like they are neither functional nor information bearing to me.
>
> Are they just background images and/or decoration?
>
>
> Le 18/04/2011 09:48, Tania a écrit :
>>
>> I came across a website that does not label graphics/photos with alt text. They used empty quote marks like this:
>>
>> alt= ""
>>
>>
>>
>> The graphics were positioned using CSS.
>>
>> With the above combination, I found that
>>
>> 1.. JAWS do not identify the graphics at all when navigating with arrow keys.
>> 2.. Clicking on the graphic with a mouse and invoking the JAWS 'LABEL GRAPHIC function' produced message that said "the cursor is not positioned on a graphic."
>>
>>
>> QUESTION:
>>
>> In such an instance, other than asking the website to rectify codes in their webpage, how else can screenreader users get label for the graphics ?
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> tania
>>

From: Tania
Date: Wed, Apr 20 2011 12:48AM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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this group has often discussed best practices in making websites accessible
from developer's angle. the other side of accessibility is what users of
assistive tech can do when they encounter such inaccessible sites.
does this very knowledgeable group have any answers to this?

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From: "John Hicks" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
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Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [?? Probable Spam] UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


Please ignore my reply, which was written before I had received the
important info about this!
So, it is part of the Login Procedure... can't get more critical than
that, that is for sure
good day

Le 19/04/2011 09:41, John Hicks a écrit :
> Are you sure that the screen reader needs to know about these graphics?
> Sounds like they are neither functional nor information bearing to me.
>
> Are they just background images and/or decoration?
>
>
> Le 18/04/2011 09:48, Tania a écrit :
>>
>> I came across a website that does not label graphics/photos with alt
>> text. They used empty quote marks like this:
>>
>> alt= ""
>>
>>
>>
>> The graphics were positioned using CSS.
>>
>> With the above combination, I found that
>>
>> 1.. JAWS do not identify the graphics at all when navigating with
>> arrow keys.
>> 2.. Clicking on the graphic with a mouse and invoking the JAWS 'LABEL
>> GRAPHIC function' produced message that said "the cursor is not
>> positioned on a graphic."
>>
>>
>> QUESTION:
>>
>> In such an instance, other than asking the website to rectify codes in
>> their webpage, how else can screenreader users get label for the graphics
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> tania
>>