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From: Loremy
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 10:27AM
Subject: accesssibility and compromises (was: Is this gallery accessible to screenreader users?)
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Hi Jeevan,

thank you very much for trying to help me!

I also came across these pages when googling for ARIA enabled
gallery solutions, but I think the gallery I mentioned would have to be
re-written in large parts, which is a feat I don't have the JavaScript
skills to accomplish.

I guess accessibility is always a compromise.
The gallery is the only part of my site that is not accessible to screen readers,
so, as a compromise, I am thinking of providing a link for screen reader users
to somewhere below the gallery or on a different page where they will find
descriptions of the gallery images. Perhaps some of the blind members of
this forum can give me a hint which of these two compromises is preferred
by screen reader users, or, whether such a compromise is appreciated
by blind users at all.

Thank you very much for any feedback!

Loremy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeevan Reddy" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Is this gallery accessible to screenreader users?


> Hi Loremy,
> follow these URLs where you'll find demos on web 2.0 widgets which
> has ARIA Enabled.
> http://access.aol.com/aegis/#goto_slider
>
> http://www.oaa-accessibility.org/examples/
>
> Hope this might help you!
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Loremy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeevan,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your very useful feedback!
>> This sounds promising, since I would like to integrate this kind of gallery
>> into my website.
>> Making the clickable images links won't be any problem, but I will have
>> to look up how to use ARIA markup for gallery pictures.
>> So far, I am only using the banner, navigation, and main roles.
>> If anybody can point me to a good example for gallery pictures
>> made accessible by WAI ARIA roles, I would be grateful for a hint.
>> But I will also check myself.
>>
>> Thanks again for your kind reply!
>>
>> Any other comments will be much appreciated, too.
>>
>> Loremy
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeevan Reddy" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>
>> > Hi loremy,
>> > The gallery is nice, well operable by keyboard.
>> > when i access the gallery with my NVDA screen Reader and Firefox 3.6, i
>> > found the following observations
>> > The images are not links or buttons, the screen reader user doesn't know
>> > it's clickable even he/she clicks on those.
>> > if you want to make it accessible to all, please use the clickable images
>> as
>> > links!.
>> > if you want make it accessible to specific to screen reader users, Use
>> ARIA
>> > mark up!
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Loremy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> Could anybody please tell me if the gallery on the page
>> >> linked below is accessible to the screenreader users among you?
>> >>
>> >> Before you head over to the page,
>> >> (URL is http://finnrudolph.de/ImageFlow/Introduction )
>> >>
>> >> here is some info for you first:
>> >>
>> >> The page has three main parts --
>> >> 1. Einleitung (an introduction in German).
>> >> 2. Introduction (the same introduction in English), and
>> >> 3. The demo of the gallery, consisting of 10 images.
>> >>
>> >> All three parts can be reached via the headings list of the
>> >> Firefox screenreader plug-in "Fangs" that I am testing with.
>> >>
>> >> The ALT text for the images is simply "image 1", "image 2" etc.,
>> >> so not informative at all, but the ALT text can be easily changed.
>> >> Please note that images 8 and 9 are mistakenly switched
>> >> in the demo.
>> >>
>> >> Any comments will be greatly appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you very much for any feedback!
>> >>
>> >> Here's the link again:
>> >>
>> >> http://finnrudolph.de/ImageFlow/Introduction
>> >>
>> >> Loremy

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 11:03AM
Subject: Re: accesssibility and compromises (was: Is this gallery accessible to screenreader users?)
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Hi Loremy

What do the picture in the gallery do in terms of site functionality.
Are there merely decorative, or can you click on them, activate them
in some manner, or do they contain useful information about the site?
Descri;ption of images is certainly appreciated by many, but I,
personally, do not need to know about images if they do not
communicate something that is not communicated through other parts of
the site (again, that is a bit of a personal preference, and I realize
other screen reader users may feel differently). I think a useful alt
text with a very short description would suffice, unless, like I said,
the images add a lot of information to the site's functionality.
Cheers
-Birkir

On 7/25/11, Loremy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi Jeevan,
>
> thank you very much for trying to help me!
>
> I also came across these pages when googling for ARIA enabled
> gallery solutions, but I think the gallery I mentioned would have to be
> re-written in large parts, which is a feat I don't have the JavaScript
> skills to accomplish.
>
> I guess accessibility is always a compromise.
> The gallery is the only part of my site that is not accessible to screen
> readers,
> so, as a compromise, I am thinking of providing a link for screen reader
> users
> to somewhere below the gallery or on a different page where they will find
> descriptions of the gallery images. Perhaps some of the blind members of
> this forum can give me a hint which of these two compromises is preferred
> by screen reader users, or, whether such a compromise is appreciated
> by blind users at all.
>
> Thank you very much for any feedback!
>
> Loremy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeevan Reddy" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Is this gallery accessible to screenreader users?
>
>
>> Hi Loremy,
>> follow these URLs where you'll find demos on web 2.0 widgets which
>> has ARIA Enabled.
>> http://access.aol.com/aegis/#goto_slider
>>
>> http://www.oaa-accessibility.org/examples/
>>
>> Hope this might help you!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Loremy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jeevan,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your very useful feedback!
>>> This sounds promising, since I would like to integrate this kind of
>>> gallery
>>> into my website.
>>> Making the clickable images links won't be any problem, but I will have
>>> to look up how to use ARIA markup for gallery pictures.
>>> So far, I am only using the banner, navigation, and main roles.
>>> If anybody can point me to a good example for gallery pictures
>>> made accessible by WAI ARIA roles, I would be grateful for a hint.
>>> But I will also check myself.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your kind reply!
>>>
>>> Any other comments will be much appreciated, too.
>>>
>>> Loremy
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jeevan Reddy" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>>
>>> > Hi loremy,
>>> > The gallery is nice, well operable by keyboard.
>>> > when i access the gallery with my NVDA screen Reader and Firefox 3.6, i
>>> > found the following observations
>>> > The images are not links or buttons, the screen reader user doesn't
>>> > know
>>> > it's clickable even he/she clicks on those.
>>> > if you want to make it accessible to all, please use the clickable
>>> > images
>>> as
>>> > links!.
>>> > if you want make it accessible to specific to screen reader users, Use
>>> ARIA
>>> > mark up!
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Loremy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hello,
>>> >>
>>> >> Could anybody please tell me if the gallery on the page
>>> >> linked below is accessible to the screenreader users among you?
>>> >>
>>> >> Before you head over to the page,
>>> >> (URL is http://finnrudolph.de/ImageFlow/Introduction )
>>> >>
>>> >> here is some info for you first:
>>> >>
>>> >> The page has three main parts --
>>> >> 1. Einleitung (an introduction in German).
>>> >> 2. Introduction (the same introduction in English), and
>>> >> 3. The demo of the gallery, consisting of 10 images.
>>> >>
>>> >> All three parts can be reached via the headings list of the
>>> >> Firefox screenreader plug-in "Fangs" that I am testing with.
>>> >>
>>> >> The ALT text for the images is simply "image 1", "image 2" etc.,
>>> >> so not informative at all, but the ALT text can be easily changed.
>>> >> Please note that images 8 and 9 are mistakenly switched
>>> >> in the demo.
>>> >>
>>> >> Any comments will be greatly appreciated.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you very much for any feedback!
>>> >>
>>> >> Here's the link again:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://finnrudolph.de/ImageFlow/Introduction
>>> >>
>>> >> Loremy
>
>

From: Jeevan Reddy
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 11:57PM
Subject: Re: accesssibility and compromises (was: Is this gallery accessible to screenreader users?)
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Hi loremy,
i'm very much concurred with Birkir sayings. those images are
having no functional aspects, letting the users as the images clickable.
otherwise screen reader users don't know that they can navigate through the
images.
if you are not interested on ARIA, just create the accessible gallery and
provide a link to enter into that, no descriptions needed!

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi Loremy
>
> What do the picture in the gallery do in terms of site functionality.
> Are there merely decorative, or can you click on them, activate them
> in some manner, or do they contain useful information about the site?
> Descri;ption of images is certainly appreciated by many, but I,
> personally, do not need to know about images if they do not
> communicate something that is not communicated through other parts of
> the site (again, that is a bit of a personal preference, and I realize
> other screen reader users may feel differently). I think a useful alt
> text with a very short description would suffice, unless, like I said,
> the images add a lot of information to the site's functionality.
> Cheers
> -Birkir
>
> On 7/25/11, Loremy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > Hi Jeevan,
> >
> > thank you very much for trying to help me!
> >
> > I also came across these pages when googling for ARIA enabled
> > gallery solutions, but I think the gallery I mentioned would have to be
> > re-written in large parts, which is a feat I don't have the JavaScript
> > skills to accomplish.
> >
> > I guess accessibility is always a compromise.
> > The gallery is the only part of my site that is not accessible to screen
> > readers,
> > so, as a compromise, I am thinking of providing a link for screen reader
> > users
> > to somewhere below the gallery or on a different page where they will
> find
> > descriptions of the gallery images. Perhaps some of the blind members of
> > this forum can give me a hint which of these two compromises is preferred
> > by screen reader users, or, whether such a compromise is appreciated
> > by blind users at all.
> >
> > Thank you very much for any feedback!
> >
> > Loremy
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeevan Reddy" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Is this gallery accessible to screenreader users?
> >
> >
> >> Hi Loremy,
> >> follow these URLs where you'll find demos on web 2.0 widgets which
> >> has ARIA Enabled.
> >> http://access.aol.com/aegis/#goto_slider
> >>
> >> http://www.oaa-accessibility.org/examples/
> >>
> >> Hope this might help you!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Loremy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Jeevan,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you very much for your very useful feedback!
> >>> This sounds promising, since I would like to integrate this kind of
> >>> gallery
> >>> into my website.
> >>> Making the clickable images links won't be any problem, but I will have
> >>> to look up how to use ARIA markup for gallery pictures.
> >>> So far, I am only using the banner, navigation, and main roles.
> >>> If anybody can point me to a good example for gallery pictures
> >>> made accessible by WAI ARIA roles, I would be grateful for a hint.
> >>> But I will also check myself.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again for your kind reply!
> >>>
> >>> Any other comments will be much appreciated, too.
> >>>
> >>> Loremy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Jeevan Reddy" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> >>>
> >>> > Hi loremy,
> >>> > The gallery is nice, well operable by keyboard.
> >>> > when i access the gallery with my NVDA screen Reader and Firefox 3.6,
> i
> >>> > found the following observations
> >>> > The images are not links or buttons, the screen reader user doesn't
> >>> > know
> >>> > it's clickable even he/she clicks on those.
> >>> > if you want to make it accessible to all, please use the clickable
> >>> > images
> >>> as
> >>> > links!.
> >>> > if you want make it accessible to specific to screen reader users,
> Use
> >>> ARIA
> >>> > mark up!
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Loremy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Hello,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Could anybody please tell me if the gallery on the page
> >>> >> linked below is accessible to the screenreader users among you?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Before you head over to the page,
> >>> >> (URL is http://finnrudolph.de/ImageFlow/Introduction )
> >>> >>
> >>> >> here is some info for you first:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The page has three main parts --
> >>> >> 1. Einleitung (an introduction in German).
> >>> >> 2. Introduction (the same introduction in English), and
> >>> >> 3. The demo of the gallery, consisting of 10 images.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> All three parts can be reached via the headings list of the
> >>> >> Firefox screenreader plug-in "Fangs" that I am testing with.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The ALT text for the images is simply "image 1", "image 2" etc.,
> >>> >> so not informative at all, but the ALT text can be easily changed.
> >>> >> Please note that images 8 and 9 are mistakenly switched
> >>> >> in the demo.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Any comments will be greatly appreciated.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thank you very much for any feedback!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Here's the link again:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> http://finnrudolph.de/ImageFlow/Introduction
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Loremy
> >
> >