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From: Hoffman, Allen
Date: Tue, Aug 16 2011 4:30PM
Subject: feasibility
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I know this list focuses on getting web pages to be accessible,
following good guidelines and standards, but, I'd be interested in
feasibility thoughts on the following concept.
Can a FireFox or IE plug-in be written that:
1. Assesses Web pages for high priority inaccessibility issues, and
allows end-user, and crowd-sourced remediation. for example, a page
appears and has three unlabeled images. tool allows end-user to label
them, and then share via cloud with all other users. WebVism is more or
less this in a nutshell.
Then take that and:
2. Develop pattern matching and sharing of pages to automatically
remediate other inaccessible things, and do them without end user inputs
so much--or rely upon patterns of end user remediation for similar
patterned content.
I think this could work by in-browser DOM change on the client, and
would not require a proxy in the middle.
Allen Hoffman
From: Gary Barber
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 6:03AM
Subject: Re: feasibility
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Hi Allen
It's been done, mainly for visually impaired users. IBM have this
project out of the Japanese office IIRC called SAP - Social
Accessibility Project.
http://sa.watson.ibm.com/
Interesting aspect is they found they had lots of people correcting the
errors for them. But not many submissions of errors or issues from the
community that the accessibility would benefit. So the idea was good,
just the uptake of the service was poor from the people it would
benefit. Now there could be lot of secondary reasons for this lack of
uptake.
Still a very interesting idea.
Gary Barber
On 17/08/11 6:31 AM, Hoffman, Allen wrote:
> I know this list focuses on getting web pages to be accessible,
> following good guidelines and standards, but, I'd be interested in
> feasibility thoughts on the following concept.
>
> Can a FireFox or IE plug-in be written that:
> 1. Assesses Web pages for high priority inaccessibility issues, and
> allows end-user, and crowd-sourced remediation. for example, a page
> appears and has three unlabeled images. tool allows end-user to label
> them, and then share via cloud with all other users. WebVism is more or
> less this in a nutshell.
>
> Then take that and:
>
> 2. Develop pattern matching and sharing of pages to automatically
> remediate other inaccessible things, and do them without end user inputs
> so much--or rely upon patterns of end user remediation for similar
> patterned content.
>
> I think this could work by in-browser DOM change on the client, and
> would not require a proxy in the middle.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Allen Hoffman
>
From: Greg Kraus
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 11:42AM
Subject: Re: feasibility
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One of my colleagues here at NC State, Sina Bahram, is doing research
into using artificial intelligence to assess Web page accessibility.
http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1969289.1969329
He has some followup research forthcoming as well.
In regards to crowd sourcing accessibility changes for Web sites we
have developed a system at NC State that lets us do just that.
Currently it is only used for internal purposes, but it basically lets
me modify a live Web page I don't control in order to correct
accessibility issues and, more importantly, communicate issues back to
developers by leaving comments within the context of the live Web
page. While I don't have a live demo that I can easily show you yet
(although that is actually in development right now) I can tease you
with a presentation I am giving on this.
http://www.colorado.edu/ATconference/SessDesc2011.html#Don%E2%80%99t%20As
Greg
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Greg Kraus
University IT Accessibility Coordinator
Office of Information Technology
North Carolina State University
919.513.4087
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Allen Hoffman < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I know this list focuses on getting web pages to be accessible,
> following good guidelines and standards, but, I'd be interested in
> feasibility thoughts on the following concept.
>
> Can a FireFox or IE plug-in be written that:
> 1. Assesses Web pages for high priority inaccessibility issues, and
> allows end-user, and crowd-sourced remediation. for example, a page
> appears and has three unlabeled images. tool allows end-user to label
> them, and then share via cloud with all other users. WebVism is more or
> less this in a nutshell.
>
> Then take that and:
>
> 2. Develop pattern matching and sharing of pages to automatically
> remediate other inaccessible things, and do them without end user inputs
> so much--or rely upon patterns of end user remediation for similar
> patterned content.
>
> I think this could work by in-browser DOM change on the client, and
> would not require a proxy in the middle.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Allen Hoffman
From: Bevi Chagnon
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 12:18PM
Subject: Re: feasibility
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Fascinating work, Greg.
Let us know if you are able to post a demo in the future.
--Bevi Chagnon
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[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus
One of my colleagues here at NC State, Sina Bahram, is doing research into
using artificial intelligence to assess Web page accessibility.
http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1969289.1969329
...I can tease you with a presentation I am giving on this.
http://www.colorado.edu/ATconference/SessDesc2011.html#Don%E2%80%99t%20As
--
Greg Kraus
University IT Accessibility Coordinator
Office of Information Technology
North Carolina State University
919.513.4087
From: Tania
Date: Wed, Aug 17 2011 11:21PM
Subject: Re: feasibility
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hi gary,
could it be that not many blind knew about the project?
is the project still active? if it is , i would like to send the link you
provided to various blind groups for them to try out .
[notice the last blog entry on the project page was last year.]
thanks,
tania
From: "Gary Barber" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] feasibility
> Hi Allen
>
> It's been done, mainly for visually impaired users. IBM have this
> project out of the Japanese office IIRC called SAP - Social
> Accessibility Project.
>
> http://sa.watson.ibm.com/
>
> Interesting aspect is they found they had lots of people correcting the
> errors for them. But not many submissions of errors or issues from the
> community that the accessibility would benefit. So the idea was good,
> just the uptake of the service was poor from the people it would
> benefit. Now there could be lot of secondary reasons for this lack of
> uptake.
>
> Still a very interesting idea.
>
> Gary Barber
>
>
>
From: Gary Barber
Date: Thu, Aug 18 2011 1:09AM
Subject: Re: feasibility
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Hi Tania
Not my project. The project lead was discussing it recently in a
presentation in Perth.
The relevant community groups were informed IIRC. Mind you it maybe a
case of people finding other ways around the issue.
Would love some hard research on this type of issue as it seems like a
classic case of perceived need verse reality.
Gary Barber
On 18/08/11 1:23 PM, Tania wrote:
> hi gary,
> could it be that not many blind knew about the project?
> is the project still active? if it is , i would like to send the link
> you provided to various blind groups for them to try out .
> [notice the last blog entry on the project page was last year.]
>
> thanks,
> tania
>
>
> From: "Gary Barber" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] feasibility
>
>
>> Hi Allen
>>
>> It's been done, mainly for visually impaired users. IBM have this
>> project out of the Japanese office IIRC called SAP - Social
>> Accessibility Project.
>>
>> http://sa.watson.ibm.com/
>>
>> Interesting aspect is they found they had lots of people correcting the
>> errors for them. But not many submissions of errors or issues from the
>> community that the accessibility would benefit. So the idea was good,
>> just the uptake of the service was poor from the people it would
>> benefit. Now there could be lot of secondary reasons for this lack of
>> uptake.
>>
>> Still a very interesting idea.
>>
>> Gary Barber
>>
>>
>>
>