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From: Angela French
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2012 3:03PM
Subject: your opinion on this link labeling please
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Hello,
I would appreciate some feedback about this new page that is in development: http://sbctc.edu/college/_i-FMS-processingNEW.aspx#monthly

In the table under Monthly and Quarterly FMS Processes you will see the presentation of documents with the same name that are presented each month. I am concerned about whether this method of presentation satisfies Success Criterion 2.4.4. If a screen reader was reading a links list, it would fail, but taken in the context of the table, the user would perceive what month it's for by the value in the first column Month/Year.

I'm afraid if I add the month/year onto the link label it will add a lot of visual clutter and may just make aural clutter for the screen reader user.

However, if it is better for me to add the month/year to the link label, would it be better at the front of the label or at the end?

Thank you for opinions.


Angela French
Internet Specialist
State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
360-704-4316
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http://www.checkoutacollege.com/
http://sbctc.edu

From: Lucy Greco
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2012 3:19PM
Subject: Re: your opinion on this link labeling please
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Hello:
if you tag the month as the row header: the screen reader should read the
month when you read the filenames. Your column headers are labeled or jaws
is helping you but when I go through the filenames the row headers are not
read.


Lucia Greco
Web Access Analyst
IST-Campus Technology Services
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu

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Subject: [WebAIM] your opinion on this link labeling please

Hello,
I would appreciate some feedback about this new page that is in development:
http://sbctc.edu/college/_i-FMS-processingNEW.aspx#monthly

In the table under Monthly and Quarterly FMS Processes you will see the
presentation of documents with the same name that are presented each month.
I am concerned about whether this method of presentation satisfies Success
Criterion 2.4.4. If a screen reader was reading a links list, it would
fail, but taken in the context of the table, the user would perceive what
month it's for by the value in the first column Month/Year.

I'm afraid if I add the month/year onto the link label it will add a lot of
visual clutter and may just make aural clutter for the screen reader user.

However, if it is better for me to add the month/year to the link label,
would it be better at the front of the label or at the end?

Thank you for opinions.


Angela French
Internet Specialist
State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
360-704-4316
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http://www.checkoutacollege.com/
http://sbctc.edu

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From: Angela French
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2012 3:28PM
Subject: Re: your opinion on this link labeling please
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Headers are fixed now.

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>
>Hello:
>if you tag the month as the row header: the screen reader should read the
>month when you read the filenames. Your column headers are labeled or
>jaws is helping you but when I go through the filenames the row headers are
>not read.
>
>
>Lucia Greco
>Web Access Analyst
>IST-Campus Technology Services
>University of California, Berkeley
>(510) 289-6008
>http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>
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>From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Angela
>French
>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:04 PM
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>Subject: [WebAIM] your opinion on this link labeling please
>
>Hello,
>I would appreciate some feedback about this new page that is in
>development:
>http://sbctc.edu/college/_i-FMS-processingNEW.aspx#monthly
>
>In the table under Monthly and Quarterly FMS Processes you will see the
>presentation of documents with the same name that are presented each
>month.
>I am concerned about whether this method of presentation satisfies Success
>Criterion 2.4.4. If a screen reader was reading a links list, it would fail, but
>taken in the context of the table, the user would perceive what month it's for
>by the value in the first column Month/Year.
>
>I'm afraid if I add the month/year onto the link label it will add a lot of visual
>clutter and may just make aural clutter for the screen reader user.
>
>However, if it is better for me to add the month/year to the link label, would
>it be better at the front of the label or at the end?
>
>Thank you for opinions.
>
>
>Angela French
>Internet Specialist
>State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
>360-704-4316
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>http://www.checkoutacollege.com/
>http://sbctc.edu
>
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From: Bim Egan
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2012 3:32PM
Subject: Re: your opinion on this link labeling please
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Hi Anngela,

My personal view is that if the month/year column cells were all TH, this
would give enough structural information to differentiate between files of
the same name.

The month / year is key information to understanding which files would be
downloaded, and key information is what TH is for.

The TH cells can be styled to look exactly the same as they do now. ... BTW
there's no COLOR defined for either TH or TD cell text at present.

HTH,

Bim
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Subject: [WebAIM] your opinion on this link labeling please


Hello,
I would appreciate some feedback about this new page that is in development:
http://sbctc.edu/college/_i-FMS-processingNEW.aspx#monthly

In the table under Monthly and Quarterly FMS Processes you will see the
presentation of documents with the same name that are presented each month.
I am concerned about whether this method of presentation satisfies Success
Criterion 2.4.4. If a screen reader was reading a links list, it would
fail, but taken in the context of the table, the user would perceive what
month it's for by the value in the first column Month/Year.

I'm afraid if I add the month/year onto the link label it will add a lot of
visual clutter and may just make aural clutter for the screen reader user.

However, if it is better for me to add the month/year to the link label,
would it be better at the front of the label or at the end?

Thank you for opinions.


Angela French
Internet Specialist
State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
360-704-4316
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http://www.checkoutacollege.com/
http://sbctc.edu

From: Lucy Greco
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2012 3:32PM
Subject: Re: your opinion on this link labeling please
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Hello:
I'm now getting the month with the first file for that particular month. I'm
thinking this is the a little but more complicated and possibly that the
cells should be marked with scope for the rows that that particular cell is
related to so for example you have two or three files and among each of
those months go back to the one cell to look for their particular header
row. Otherwise on the first row of the month it does say what month the
files are related to.

Lucia Greco
Web Access Analyst
IST-Campus Technology Services
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu


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Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] your opinion on this link labeling please

Headers are fixed now.

>-----Original Message-----
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> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Lucy Greco
>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:20 PM
>To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] your opinion on this link labeling please
>
>Hello:
>if you tag the month as the row header: the screen reader should read the
>month when you read the filenames. Your column headers are labeled or
>jaws is helping you but when I go through the filenames the row headers are
>not read.
>
>
>Lucia Greco
>Web Access Analyst
>IST-Campus Technology Services
>University of California, Berkeley
>(510) 289-6008
>http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Angela
>French
>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:04 PM
>To: 'WebAim Forum ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )'
>Subject: [WebAIM] your opinion on this link labeling please
>
>Hello,
>I would appreciate some feedback about this new page that is in
>development:
>http://sbctc.edu/college/_i-FMS-processingNEW.aspx#monthly
>
>In the table under Monthly and Quarterly FMS Processes you will see the
>presentation of documents with the same name that are presented each
>month.
>I am concerned about whether this method of presentation satisfies Success
>Criterion 2.4.4. If a screen reader was reading a links list, it would
fail, but
>taken in the context of the table, the user would perceive what month it's
for
>by the value in the first column Month/Year.
>
>I'm afraid if I add the month/year onto the link label it will add a lot of
visual
>clutter and may just make aural clutter for the screen reader user.
>
>However, if it is better for me to add the month/year to the link label,
would
>it be better at the front of the label or at the end?
>
>Thank you for opinions.
>
>
>Angela French
>Internet Specialist
>State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
>360-704-4316
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>http://www.checkoutacollege.com/
>http://sbctc.edu
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From: Angela French
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2012 4:31PM
Subject: Re: your opinion on this link labeling please
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Unfortunately, Adobe Contribute which is the software our content editors use, does not support scope, so <th> with rowspan is the best I can do.

Angela French



>I'm now getting the month with the first file for that particular month. I'm
>thinking this is the a little but more complicated and possibly that the cells
>should be marked with scope for the rows that that particular cell is related
>to so for example you have two or three files and among each of those
>months go back to the one cell to look for their particular header row.
>Otherwise on the first row of the month it does say what month the files are
>related to.
>
>Lucia Greco
>Web Access Analyst
>IST-Campus Technology Services
>University of California, Berkeley
>(510) 289-6008
>http://webaccess.berkeley.edu




>>Hello:
>>if you tag the month as the row header: the screen reader should read the
>>month when you read the filenames. Your column headers are labeled or
>>jaws is helping you but when I go through the filenames the row headers are
>>not read.
>>
>>
>>Lucia Greco
>>Web Access Analyst
>>IST-Campus Technology Services
>>University of California, Berkeley
>>(510) 289-6008
>>http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Angela
>>French
>>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:04 PM
>>To: 'WebAim Forum ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )'
>>Subject: [WebAIM] your opinion on this link labeling please
>>
>>Hello,
>>I would appreciate some feedback about this new page that is in
>>development:
>>http://sbctc.edu/college/_i-FMS-processingNEW.aspx#monthly
>>
>>In the table under Monthly and Quarterly FMS Processes you will see the
>>presentation of documents with the same name that are presented each
>>month.
>>I am concerned about whether this method of presentation satisfies Success
>>Criterion 2.4.4. If a screen reader was reading a links list, it would
>fail, but
>>taken in the context of the table, the user would perceive what month it's
>for
>>by the value in the first column Month/Year.
>>
>>I'm afraid if I add the month/year onto the link label it will add a lot of
>visual
>>clutter and may just make aural clutter for the screen reader user.
>>
>>However, if it is better for me to add the month/year to the link label,
>would
>>it be better at the front of the label or at the end?
>>
>>Thank you for opinions.
>>
>>
>>Angela French
>>Internet Specialist
>>State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
>>360-704-4316
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>>http://www.checkoutacollege.com/
>>http://sbctc.edu
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From: Lucy Greco
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2012 5:08PM
Subject: Re: your opinion on this link labeling please
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Ok thanks for giving it a try

Lucia Greco
Web Access Analyst
IST-Campus Technology Services
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu


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[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Angela French
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 3:31 PM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] your opinion on this link labeling please

Unfortunately, Adobe Contribute which is the software our content editors
use, does not support scope, so <th> with rowspan is the best I can do.

Angela French



>I'm now getting the month with the first file for that particular
>month. I'm thinking this is the a little but more complicated and
>possibly that the cells should be marked with scope for the rows that
>that particular cell is related to so for example you have two or three
>files and among each of those months go back to the one cell to look for
their particular header row.
>Otherwise on the first row of the month it does say what month the
>files are related to.
>
>Lucia Greco
>Web Access Analyst
>IST-Campus Technology Services
>University of California, Berkeley
>(510) 289-6008
>http://webaccess.berkeley.edu




>>Hello:
>>if you tag the month as the row header: the screen reader should read
>>the month when you read the filenames. Your column headers are labeled
>>or jaws is helping you but when I go through the filenames the row
>>headers are not read.
>>
>>
>>Lucia Greco
>>Web Access Analyst
>>IST-Campus Technology Services
>>University of California, Berkeley
>>(510) 289-6008
>>http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Angela
>>French
>>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:04 PM
>>To: 'WebAim Forum ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )'
>>Subject: [WebAIM] your opinion on this link labeling please
>>
>>Hello,
>>I would appreciate some feedback about this new page that is in
>>development:
>>http://sbctc.edu/college/_i-FMS-processingNEW.aspx#monthly
>>
>>In the table under Monthly and Quarterly FMS Processes you will see
>>the presentation of documents with the same name that are presented
>>each month.
>>I am concerned about whether this method of presentation satisfies
>>Success Criterion 2.4.4. If a screen reader was reading a links list,
>>it would
>fail, but
>>taken in the context of the table, the user would perceive what month
>>it's
>for
>>by the value in the first column Month/Year.
>>
>>I'm afraid if I add the month/year onto the link label it will add a
>>lot of
>visual
>>clutter and may just make aural clutter for the screen reader user.
>>
>>However, if it is better for me to add the month/year to the link
>>label,
>would
>>it be better at the front of the label or at the end?
>>
>>Thank you for opinions.
>>
>>
>>Angela French
>>Internet Specialist
>>State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
>>360-704-4316
>> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>http://www.checkoutacollege.com/
>>http://sbctc.edu
>>
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