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From: Rick Hill
Date: Mon, Jan 28 2013 11:17AM
Subject: <title> content order?
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In <title> which is order is preferred (and why) or is either OK:

<title>Page info : Site Name</title>

or

<title>Site Name: Page Info</title>

Examples:

<title>Test Page : UC Davis</title>

or

<title>UC Davis : Test Page</title>
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From: Angela French
Date: Mon, Jan 28 2013 11:29AM
Subject: Re: <title> content order?
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The colon is used to define the relationship between the items on either side of it. It would be more grammatically correct to say Site Name: Page Info such that PageInfo is being defined as a subset of SiteName.

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>In <title> which is order is preferred (and why) or is either OK:
>
><title>Page info : Site Name</title>
>
>or
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><title>Site Name: Page Info</title>
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>Examples:
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><title>Test Page : UC Davis</title>
>
>or
>
><title>UC Davis : Test Page</title>
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>University Communications, UC Davis
>(530) 752-9612
>http://cms.ucdavis.edu
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From: Paul J. Adam
Date: Mon, Jan 28 2013 11:35AM
Subject: Re: <title> content order?
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Hi Rick, good question! I see many sites that first put their site name at the beginning of every single page title forcing you to have to look at the end of the page title to see the name of the page your located on. A screen reader user would have to listen to the page title as the very first item on the page and would have to hear the site name every single time to determine the actual page name. Also when you have many tabs opened in a browser you only see the first few words of that tab so if the page name is at the very end of the title it would be cut off from view in the tab.

For those reasons I recommend you start with the most important info and that is the actual page title, not the site name. Users already know the site name based on the URL as well.

Best practice would be, as an example of a contact page for the english department of a university, <title>Contact Us - English Dept. - State University System</title>.

Paul J. Adam
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On Jan 28, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Rick Hill < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> In <title> which is order is preferred (and why) or is either OK:
>
> <title>Page info : Site Name</title>
>
> or
>
> <title>Site Name: Page Info</title>
>
> Examples:
>
> <title>Test Page : UC Davis</title>
>
> or
>
> <title>UC Davis : Test Page</title>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rick Hill, Web CMS Administrator
> University Communications, UC Davis
> (530) 752-9612
> http://cms.ucdavis.edu
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Web CMS assistance at = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > >

From: Keith Parks
Date: Mon, Jan 28 2013 3:39PM
Subject: Re: <title> content order?
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On Jan 28, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Paul J. Adam wrote:

> Best practice would be, as an example of a contact page for the english department of a university, <title>Contact Us - English Dept. - State University System</title>.

The flip side to keep in mind is that the page title is also the text that accompanies a bookmark for a page, by default.

So you'll have to think how much this might affect your users if the bookmark gives page specifics first, and site ID last. It seems to me that would make a bookmark list harder to scan, whether visually or aurally.

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From: Jared Smith
Date: Mon, Jan 28 2013 3:59PM
Subject: Re: <title> content order?
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On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Keith Parks wrote:

> So you'll have to think how much this might affect your users if the bookmark gives page specifics first, and site ID last. It seems to me that would make a bookmark list harder to scan, whether visually or aurally.

And I could argue that having site ID first would make differentiating
multiple bookmarks from the same site more difficult.

In the end, I think this is generally a matter of personal preference.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both approaches. Neither is
wrong or 'inaccessible'.

Jared

From: Paul J. Adam
Date: Mon, Jan 28 2013 4:17PM
Subject: Re: <title> content order?
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The user can name their bookmarks however they'd like but they cannot control the author's page title. I'd leave bookmarks out of the equation.

I'm not sure that I know of any logical reasons for putting the site name first when it comes to accessibility.

Paul J. Adam
Accessibility Evangelist
Deque Systems
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On Jan 28, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Jared Smith < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Keith Parks wrote:
>
>> So you'll have to think how much this might affect your users if the bookmark gives page specifics first, and site ID last. It seems to me that would make a bookmark list harder to scan, whether visually or aurally.
>
> And I could argue that having site ID first would make differentiating
> multiple bookmarks from the same site more difficult.
>
> In the end, I think this is generally a matter of personal preference.
> There are advantages and disadvantages to both approaches. Neither is
> wrong or 'inaccessible'.
>
> Jared
> > >