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From: Angela French
Date: Thu, May 16 2013 3:48PM
Subject: role="alert" now in div but still not being read by NVDA
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>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by NVDA
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>I would question the use of a role in a span tag.
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>Have you tried replacing it with a block element like <p> or <div> and see if it
>works then? We have come across issues when employing the span tag, which is
>really more for styling, for purposes other than style.
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Susan,
We put the error in a <div> tag and still it does not alert the user. Is there any way that the user can discover this error message by have the screen reader read what is on the page? I tried with NVDA (IE9 and FF 20) but I am having trouble making it read anything outside of the form once it is in it.
Would it be possible to test it for me?
http://168.156.9.250/GEDVerify/default.aspx
From: Paul J. Adam
Date: Thu, May 16 2013 4:06PM
Subject: Re: role="alert" now in div but still not being read by NVDA
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I think you may need to inject the error text into the alert container AFTER they do a bad submit, currently the text is always present there, just set to display:none.
Paul J. Adam
Accessibility Evangelist
www.deque.com
On May 16, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Angela French < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
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>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by NVDA
>>
>> I would question the use of a role in a span tag.
>>
>> Have you tried replacing it with a block element like <p> or <div> and see if it
>> works then? We have come across issues when employing the span tag, which is
>> really more for styling, for purposes other than style.
>>
>>
> Susan,
> We put the error in a <div> tag and still it does not alert the user. Is there any way that the user can discover this error message by have the screen reader read what is on the page? I tried with NVDA (IE9 and FF 20) but I am having trouble making it read anything outside of the form once it is in it.
> Would it be possible to test it for me?
> http://168.156.9.250/GEDVerify/default.aspx
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From: Greg Wocher
Date: Thu, May 16 2013 6:21PM
Subject: Re: role="alert" now in div but still not being read by NVDA
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Hello,
I am using the latest versions of NVDA and JAWS14 and I can see an error
when I first navigate to the fields as well as when I put in a wrong
address or password. Also, I keep getting an script error on the page.
I keep having to tell it to run inspite of the script error.
Thanks,
Greg Wocher
Follow me on Twitter @GWocher
On 5/16/2013 5:48 PM, Angela French wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by NVDA
>>
>> I would question the use of a role in a span tag.
>>
>> Have you tried replacing it with a block element like <p> or <div> and see if it
>> works then? We have come across issues when employing the span tag, which is
>> really more for styling, for purposes other than style.
>>
>>
> Susan,
> We put the error in a <div> tag and still it does not alert the user. Is there any way that the user can discover this error message by have the screen reader read what is on the page? I tried with NVDA (IE9 and FF 20) but I am having trouble making it read anything outside of the form once it is in it.
> Would it be possible to test it for me?
> http://168.156.9.250/GEDVerify/default.aspx
>
>
>
> > > >
From: Greg Gamble
Date: Fri, May 17 2013 9:23AM
Subject: Re: role="alert" now in div but still not being read by NVDA
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Greg,
What script error are you getting? I'm not seeing any errors when I test and validate ...
The error message when entering the text field is probably from the describedby tag, which I was under the impression that using display:none it will not be read by AT?
Greg
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Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 5:22 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] role="alert" now in div but still not being read by NVDA
Hello,
I am using the latest versions of NVDA and JAWS14 and I can see an error
when I first navigate to the fields as well as when I put in a wrong
address or password. Also, I keep getting an script error on the page.
I keep having to tell it to run inspite of the script error.
Thanks,
Greg Wocher
Follow me on Twitter @GWocher
On 5/16/2013 5:48 PM, Angela French wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by NVDA
>>
>> I would question the use of a role in a span tag.
>>
>> Have you tried replacing it with a block element like <p> or <div> and see if it
>> works then? We have come across issues when employing the span tag, which is
>> really more for styling, for purposes other than style.
>>
>>
> Susan,
> We put the error in a <div> tag and still it does not alert the user. Is there any way that the user can discover this error message by have the screen reader read what is on the page? I tried with NVDA (IE9 and FF 20) but I am having trouble making it read anything outside of the form once it is in it.
> Would it be possible to test it for me?
> http://168.156.9.250/GEDVerify/default.aspx
>
>
>
> > > >
From: Greg Gamble
Date: Fri, May 17 2013 9:53AM
Subject: Re: role="alert" now in div but still not being read by NVDA
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I'm now inserting the text and making the div visible via jQuery ... html is solid but still no notification. The alert is showing and is both readable by NVDA and visible. Very frustrating ..
Greg
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Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:24 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] role="alert" now in div but still not being read by NVDA
Greg,
What script error are you getting? I'm not seeing any errors when I test and validate ...
The error message when entering the text field is probably from the describedby tag, which I was under the impression that using display:none it will not be read by AT?
Greg
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 5:22 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] role="alert" now in div but still not being read by NVDA
Hello,
I am using the latest versions of NVDA and JAWS14 and I can see an error
when I first navigate to the fields as well as when I put in a wrong
address or password. Also, I keep getting an script error on the page.
I keep having to tell it to run inspite of the script error.
Thanks,
Greg Wocher
Follow me on Twitter @GWocher
On 5/16/2013 5:48 PM, Angela French wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by NVDA
>>
>> I would question the use of a role in a span tag.
>>
>> Have you tried replacing it with a block element like <p> or <div> and see if it
>> works then? We have come across issues when employing the span tag, which is
>> really more for styling, for purposes other than style.
>>
>>
> Susan,
> We put the error in a <div> tag and still it does not alert the user. Is there any way that the user can discover this error message by have the screen reader read what is on the page? I tried with NVDA (IE9 and FF 20) but I am having trouble making it read anything outside of the form once it is in it.
> Would it be possible to test it for me?
> http://168.156.9.250/GEDVerify/default.aspx
>
>
>
> > > >
From: Bryan Garaventa
Date: Fri, May 17 2013 11:30AM
Subject: Re: role="alert" now in div but still not being read by NVDA
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If you would like to use the script I mentioned earlier, it does work for
this purpose.
This is the one at http://whatsock.com/tmp/unobtrusive_announce.js.txt
No problem if not, but it's quite easy to use.
E.G
This is a jQuery script, so you just load it normally...
<script type="text/javascript" src="jquery-1.8.1.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" src="unobtrusive_announce.js"></script>
Since this is a pared down version, you can then use the announce method
like so:
announce("Error message one");
Or
announce( errorContainerDOMNode );
Or to suppress repeats
announce( "Whatever", null, true);
All of the AccDC modules work this way.
Or you can take it apart and make something else, whatever you like.
This technique does work reliably in IE, FF, Chrome, and Safari however.
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From: "Greg Gamble" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] role="alert" now in div but still not being read by
NVDA
> I'm now inserting the text and making the div visible via jQuery ... html
> is solid but still no notification. The alert is showing and is both
> readable by NVDA and visible. Very frustrating ..
>
> Greg
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Greg Gamble
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:24 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] role="alert" now in div but still not being read by
> NVDA
>
> Greg,
> What script error are you getting? I'm not seeing any errors when I test
> and validate ...
>
> The error message when entering the text field is probably from the
> describedby tag, which I was under the impression that using display:none
> it will not be read by AT?
>
> Greg
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 5:22 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] role="alert" now in div but still not being read by
> NVDA
>
> Hello,
> I am using the latest versions of NVDA and JAWS14 and I can see an error
> when I first navigate to the fields as well as when I put in a wrong
> address or password. Also, I keep getting an script error on the page.
> I keep having to tell it to run inspite of the script error.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg Wocher
>
> Follow me on Twitter @GWocher
>
> On 5/16/2013 5:48 PM, Angela French wrote:
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by
>>> NVDA
>>>
>>> I would question the use of a role in a span tag.
>>>
>>> Have you tried replacing it with a block element like <p> or <div> and
>>> see if it
>>> works then? We have come across issues when employing the span tag,
>>> which is
>>> really more for styling, for purposes other than style.
>>>
>>>
>> Susan,
>> We put the error in a <div> tag and still it does not alert the user. Is
>> there any way that the user can discover this error message by have the
>> screen reader read what is on the page? I tried with NVDA (IE9 and FF
>> 20) but I am having trouble making it read anything outside of the form
>> once it is in it.
>> Would it be possible to test it for me?
>> http://168.156.9.250/GEDVerify/default.aspx
>>
>>
>>
>> >> >> >>
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From: Greg Gamble
Date: Fri, May 17 2013 4:30PM
Subject: Re: role="alert" now in div but still not being read byNVDA
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Bryan
I got it to work ... kind of.
I'm using jQuery as shown ... $('#ErrorMsg').attr('role', 'alert').show('').html('Email or password incorrect');
$('#ErrorMsg') is the hidden div I'm showing: <div id="ErrorMsg" class="alert alert-error hide"></div>
The show() is taking the hidden div tag and bringing it to visibility with a display:block. Only after I added an empty string to the show() method does NVDA now recognize the div tag and read the role=alert.
I'm still trying to find out what the difference is between .Show() and .Show('') is.
Looking at your code from unobtrusive_announce.js.txt, I see your basically creating a hidden alert box, and injecting the text to be announced. That got me thinking on why my code was not working. I guess I should see if I can create some kind of helper method for all the validator functions so they do something along the same lines ....
Thanks for the help ...
Greg Gamble
Information ServicesWashington State Board for Community & Technical Colleges
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Bryan Garaventa
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 10:31 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] role="alert" now in div but still not being read by NVDA
If you would like to use the script I mentioned earlier, it does work for
this purpose.
This is the one at http://whatsock.com/tmp/unobtrusive_announce.js.txt
No problem if not, but it's quite easy to use.
E.G
This is a jQuery script, so you just load it normally...
<script type="text/javascript" src="jquery-1.8.1.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" src="unobtrusive_announce.js"></script>
Since this is a pared down version, you can then use the announce method
like so:
announce("Error message one");
Or
announce( errorContainerDOMNode );
Or to suppress repeats
announce( "Whatever", null, true);
All of the AccDC modules work this way.
Or you can take it apart and make something else, whatever you like.
This technique does work reliably in IE, FF, Chrome, and Safari however.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Gamble" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] role="alert" now in div but still not being read by
NVDA
> I'm now inserting the text and making the div visible via jQuery ... html
> is solid but still no notification. The alert is showing and is both
> readable by NVDA and visible. Very frustrating ..
>
> Greg
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Greg Gamble
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:24 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] role="alert" now in div but still not being read by
> NVDA
>
> Greg,
> What script error are you getting? I'm not seeing any errors when I test
> and validate ...
>
> The error message when entering the text field is probably from the
> describedby tag, which I was under the impression that using display:none
> it will not be read by AT?
>
> Greg
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 5:22 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] role="alert" now in div but still not being read by
> NVDA
>
> Hello,
> I am using the latest versions of NVDA and JAWS14 and I can see an error
> when I first navigate to the fields as well as when I put in a wrong
> address or password. Also, I keep getting an script error on the page.
> I keep having to tell it to run inspite of the script error.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg Wocher
>
> Follow me on Twitter @GWocher
>
> On 5/16/2013 5:48 PM, Angela French wrote:
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by
>>> NVDA
>>>
>>> I would question the use of a role in a span tag.
>>>
>>> Have you tried replacing it with a block element like <p> or <div> and
>>> see if it
>>> works then? We have come across issues when employing the span tag,
>>> which is
>>> really more for styling, for purposes other than style.
>>>
>>>
>> Susan,
>> We put the error in a <div> tag and still it does not alert the user. Is
>> there any way that the user can discover this error message by have the
>> screen reader read what is on the page? I tried with NVDA (IE9 and FF
>> 20) but I am having trouble making it read anything outside of the form
>> once it is in it.
>> Would it be possible to test it for me?
>> http://168.156.9.250/GEDVerify/default.aspx
>>
>>
>>
>>
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