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From: Karen Sorensen
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2014 11:34AM
Subject: LibreOffice for the Mac; IAAP
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Another advantage to using the free LibreOffice is that it's equation
editor can output MathML. No MathType necessary.

Good to know about the Title versus Description alt text Greg. I didn't
know that!

I learn so much from this listserv. It's like gold. This is what worries me
about the newly formed IAAP group. It seems profit driven, rather than the
free collegial sharing on accessibility that currently exists so abundantly
now. What do others think about it?

Karen M. Sorensen
Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
www.pcc.edu/access
Portland Community College
971-722-4720
*"The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone
regardless of disability is an essential aspect."* Tim Berners-Lee

From: Paul Bohman
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2014 12:04PM
Subject: Re: LibreOffice for the Mac; IAAP
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I can't speak for all of the IAAP, but as the (volunteer) chair of the
certification committee, here's my take:

IAAP intends to create a sustainable model that can last well into the
future. That means that some revenue has to come in. Either that or
everyone involved with IAAP will need to work for free, after their regular
work hours, and while that may sort of work, it will be slow and ultimately
quite difficult to sustain. The people involved with IAAP want to elevate
the profession through various methods, including educational
opportunities, community involvement, certification, and other initiatives.
I imagine that IAAP founders hope that the IAAP will become one of the main
gathering places about accessibility, but that doesn't mean they want to
put other groups out of business or make everyone pay to access information
that was once free. It will be an evolving landscape, and it remains to be
seen exactly how well some parts of the IAAP will be received, but I hope
that it is able to fulfill its mission of elevating the profession. And
while there are legitimate concerns about cost, I hope that the IAAP is
able to balance cost with the needs of people in the profession. Similarly,
I hope that people in the profession won't reject the IAAP simply because
there are costs associated with it. Think long term on this one, and the
need for an economically sustainable model.


Paul Bohman, PhD
Director of Training
Deque Systems, Inc
www.deque.com
703-225-0380, ext.121


On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Karen Sorensen < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >wrote:

> Another advantage to using the free LibreOffice is that it's equation
> editor can output MathML. No MathType necessary.
>
> Good to know about the Title versus Description alt text Greg. I didn't
> know that!
>
> I learn so much from this listserv. It's like gold. This is what worries me
> about the newly formed IAAP group. It seems profit driven, rather than the
> free collegial sharing on accessibility that currently exists so abundantly
> now. What do others think about it?
>
> Karen M. Sorensen
> Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
> www.pcc.edu/access
> Portland Community College
> 971-722-4720
> *"The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone
> regardless of disability is an essential aspect."* Tim Berners-Lee
> > > >

From: Don Mauck
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2014 12:38PM
Subject: Re: LibreOffice for the Mac; IAAP
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I like Karen, get a lot from this list and hope that IAAP won't put this list and others like it on the shelf. I'm certainly willing to take a wait and see approach, I just don't want lists like this one to lose value.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bohman [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:05 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] LibreOffice for the Mac; IAAP

I can't speak for all of the IAAP, but as the (volunteer) chair of the
certification committee, here's my take:

IAAP intends to create a sustainable model that can last well into the
future. That means that some revenue has to come in. Either that or
everyone involved with IAAP will need to work for free, after their regular
work hours, and while that may sort of work, it will be slow and ultimately
quite difficult to sustain. The people involved with IAAP want to elevate
the profession through various methods, including educational
opportunities, community involvement, certification, and other initiatives.
I imagine that IAAP founders hope that the IAAP will become one of the main
gathering places about accessibility, but that doesn't mean they want to
put other groups out of business or make everyone pay to access information
that was once free. It will be an evolving landscape, and it remains to be
seen exactly how well some parts of the IAAP will be received, but I hope
that it is able to fulfill its mission of elevating the profession. And
while there are legitimate concerns about cost, I hope that the IAAP is
able to balance cost with the needs of people in the profession. Similarly,
I hope that people in the profession won't reject the IAAP simply because
there are costs associated with it. Think long term on this one, and the
need for an economically sustainable model.


Paul Bohman, PhD
Director of Training
Deque Systems, Inc
www.deque.com
703-225-0380, ext.121


On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Karen Sorensen < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >wrote:

> Another advantage to using the free LibreOffice is that it's equation
> editor can output MathML. No MathType necessary.
>
> Good to know about the Title versus Description alt text Greg. I didn't
> know that!
>
> I learn so much from this listserv. It's like gold. This is what worries me
> about the newly formed IAAP group. It seems profit driven, rather than the
> free collegial sharing on accessibility that currently exists so abundantly
> now. What do others think about it?
>
> Karen M. Sorensen
> Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
> www.pcc.edu/access
> Portland Community College
> 971-722-4720
> *"The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone
> regardless of disability is an essential aspect."* Tim Berners-Lee
> > > >

From: Paul Bohman
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2014 12:44PM
Subject: Re: LibreOffice for the Mac; IAAP
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I don't see how the IAAP could put lists like this on the shelf even if
they wanted to, which it doesn't. The IAAP isn't trying to compete with web
accessibility professionals. It's trying to benefit them, and represent
them.


Paul Bohman, PhD
Director of Training
Deque Systems, Inc
www.deque.com
703-225-0380, ext.121


On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Don Mauck < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> I like Karen, get a lot from this list and hope that IAAP won't put this
> list and others like it on the shelf. I'm certainly willing to take a wait
> and see approach, I just don't want lists like this one to lose value.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bohman [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:05 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] LibreOffice for the Mac; IAAP
>
> I can't speak for all of the IAAP, but as the (volunteer) chair of the
> certification committee, here's my take:
>
> IAAP intends to create a sustainable model that can last well into the
> future. That means that some revenue has to come in. Either that or
> everyone involved with IAAP will need to work for free, after their regular
> work hours, and while that may sort of work, it will be slow and ultimately
> quite difficult to sustain. The people involved with IAAP want to elevate
> the profession through various methods, including educational
> opportunities, community involvement, certification, and other initiatives.
> I imagine that IAAP founders hope that the IAAP will become one of the main
> gathering places about accessibility, but that doesn't mean they want to
> put other groups out of business or make everyone pay to access information
> that was once free. It will be an evolving landscape, and it remains to be
> seen exactly how well some parts of the IAAP will be received, but I hope
> that it is able to fulfill its mission of elevating the profession. And
> while there are legitimate concerns about cost, I hope that the IAAP is
> able to balance cost with the needs of people in the profession. Similarly,
> I hope that people in the profession won't reject the IAAP simply because
> there are costs associated with it. Think long term on this one, and the
> need for an economically sustainable model.
>
>
> Paul Bohman, PhD
> Director of Training
> Deque Systems, Inc
> www.deque.com
> 703-225-0380, ext.121
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Karen Sorensen < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >wrote:
>
> > Another advantage to using the free LibreOffice is that it's equation
> > editor can output MathML. No MathType necessary.
> >
> > Good to know about the Title versus Description alt text Greg. I didn't
> > know that!
> >
> > I learn so much from this listserv. It's like gold. This is what worries
> me
> > about the newly formed IAAP group. It seems profit driven, rather than
> the
> > free collegial sharing on accessibility that currently exists so
> abundantly
> > now. What do others think about it?
> >
> > Karen M. Sorensen
> > Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
> > www.pcc.edu/access
> > Portland Community College
> > 971-722-4720
> > *"The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone
> > regardless of disability is an essential aspect."* Tim Berners-Lee
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

From: Don Mauck
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2014 1:52PM
Subject: Re: LibreOffice for the Mac; IAAP
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Good to know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bohman [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:44 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] LibreOffice for the Mac; IAAP

I don't see how the IAAP could put lists like this on the shelf even if they wanted to, which it doesn't. The IAAP isn't trying to compete with web accessibility professionals. It's trying to benefit them, and represent them.


Paul Bohman, PhD
Director of Training
Deque Systems, Inc
www.deque.com
703-225-0380, ext.121


On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Don Mauck < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> I like Karen, get a lot from this list and hope that IAAP won't put
> this list and others like it on the shelf. I'm certainly willing to
> take a wait and see approach, I just don't want lists like this one to lose value.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bohman [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:05 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] LibreOffice for the Mac; IAAP
>
> I can't speak for all of the IAAP, but as the (volunteer) chair of the
> certification committee, here's my take:
>
> IAAP intends to create a sustainable model that can last well into the
> future. That means that some revenue has to come in. Either that or
> everyone involved with IAAP will need to work for free, after their
> regular work hours, and while that may sort of work, it will be slow
> and ultimately quite difficult to sustain. The people involved with
> IAAP want to elevate the profession through various methods, including
> educational opportunities, community involvement, certification, and other initiatives.
> I imagine that IAAP founders hope that the IAAP will become one of the
> main gathering places about accessibility, but that doesn't mean they
> want to put other groups out of business or make everyone pay to
> access information that was once free. It will be an evolving
> landscape, and it remains to be seen exactly how well some parts of
> the IAAP will be received, but I hope that it is able to fulfill its
> mission of elevating the profession. And while there are legitimate
> concerns about cost, I hope that the IAAP is able to balance cost with
> the needs of people in the profession. Similarly, I hope that people
> in the profession won't reject the IAAP simply because there are costs
> associated with it. Think long term on this one, and the need for an economically sustainable model.
>
>
> Paul Bohman, PhD
> Director of Training
> Deque Systems, Inc
> www.deque.com
> 703-225-0380, ext.121
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Karen Sorensen
> < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >wrote:
>
> > Another advantage to using the free LibreOffice is that it's
> > equation editor can output MathML. No MathType necessary.
> >
> > Good to know about the Title versus Description alt text Greg. I
> > didn't know that!
> >
> > I learn so much from this listserv. It's like gold. This is what
> > worries
> me
> > about the newly formed IAAP group. It seems profit driven, rather
> > than
> the
> > free collegial sharing on accessibility that currently exists so
> abundantly
> > now. What do others think about it?
> >
> > Karen M. Sorensen
> > Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access
> > Portland Community College
> > 971-722-4720
> > *"The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone
> > regardless of disability is an essential aspect."* Tim Berners-Lee
> > > > > > list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >
> > > list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > > list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
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