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From: Nancy Johnson
Date: Thu, Jul 10 2014 8:09AM
Subject: recaptcha. I thought it was accessible and thats why I used it.
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I am using the 'clean' theme..
I noticed:
1. on page load, the focus goes to the captcha input instead of the
top of the page. Is there a work around?
2. there is no visual focus ( I was able to override the style to put
one back in)
3. I could not access the reset image, nor did NVDA announce the
audio, without a mouse.
Is there a keyboard command for this?

Client wanted captcha even with all the issues around it.

Nancy

From: Nancy Johnson
Date: Thu, Jul 10 2014 10:01AM
Subject: Re: recaptcha. I thought it was accessible and thats why I used it.
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Whoops. I didn't know and had been frustrating me for a long time.
The back-end web-developer added arbitrary focus elements. Still need
to know about accessing the refresh button without a mouse...

Thanks

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Nancy Johnson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I am using the 'clean' theme..
> I noticed:
> 1. on page load, the focus goes to the captcha input instead of the
> top of the page. Is there a work around?
> 2. there is no visual focus ( I was able to override the style to put
> one back in)
> 3. I could not access the reset image, nor did NVDA announce the
> audio, without a mouse.
> Is there a keyboard command for this?
>
> Client wanted captcha even with all the issues around it.
>
> Nancy

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2014 4:27AM
Subject: Re: recaptcha. I thought it was accessible and thats why I used it.
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It depends.
If the button is implemnted as an anchor tag it is probably mising the
href attribute (also, fo role="button" and ideally support fr space
bar key in addition to enter, though that is straying into best
practice territory).
.
If it is a span it is probably missing tabindex="0" (plus
role="button" and support or both enter and spacebar key presses or
key codes 13 and 32 respectively).
Not sure if you can do a front end Javascript hack to put these
elements in place.


On 7/10/14, Nancy Johnson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Whoops. I didn't know and had been frustrating me for a long time.
> The back-end web-developer added arbitrary focus elements. Still need
> to know about accessing the refresh button without a mouse...
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Nancy Johnson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
>> I am using the 'clean' theme..
>> I noticed:
>> 1. on page load, the focus goes to the captcha input instead of the
>> top of the page. Is there a work around?
>> 2. there is no visual focus ( I was able to override the style to put
>> one back in)
>> 3. I could not access the reset image, nor did NVDA announce the
>> audio, without a mouse.
>> Is there a keyboard command for this?
>>
>> Client wanted captcha even with all the issues around it.
>>
>> Nancy
> > > >


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Work hard. Have fun. Make history.

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2014 4:31AM
Subject: Re: recaptcha. I thought it was accessible and thats why I used it.
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Also, don't forget that the audio for captcha is generally usually so
bad that it is impossible to work with.
Make sure your client is willing to sit down and do 5 tries regetting
in using only the audio.
If he/she gets in 4 times it might b possible for them to accept it as
a solution.
If not, they might understand what an unreasonable hurdle this is.

(I know i am preaching to the choir on this one, I wish there was a
better CAPTCHA technology out there, I think sending authentication
cdes via text or email should be a reasonable alternative, in Iceland
this is doable because people can sign up their phone and email
addresses via a central national registration directory. The problem
has not quite disappeared but it is close to disappearing).
Cheers
-B

On 7/14/14, Birkir R. Gunnarsson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> It depends.
> If the button is implemnted as an anchor tag it is probably mising the
> href attribute (also, fo role="button" and ideally support fr space
> bar key in addition to enter, though that is straying into best
> practice territory).
> .
> If it is a span it is probably missing tabindex="0" (plus
> role="button" and support or both enter and spacebar key presses or
> key codes 13 and 32 respectively).
> Not sure if you can do a front end Javascript hack to put these
> elements in place.
>
>
> On 7/10/14, Nancy Johnson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Whoops. I didn't know and had been frustrating me for a long time.
>> The back-end web-developer added arbitrary focus elements. Still need
>> to know about accessing the refresh button without a mouse...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Nancy Johnson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> wrote:
>>> I am using the 'clean' theme..
>>> I noticed:
>>> 1. on page load, the focus goes to the captcha input instead of the
>>> top of the page. Is there a work around?
>>> 2. there is no visual focus ( I was able to override the style to put
>>> one back in)
>>> 3. I could not access the reset image, nor did NVDA announce the
>>> audio, without a mouse.
>>> Is there a keyboard command for this?
>>>
>>> Client wanted captcha even with all the issues around it.
>>>
>>> Nancy
>> >> >> >>
>
>
> --
> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
>


--
Work hard. Have fun. Make history.

From: Nancy Johnson
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2014 5:15AM
Subject: Re: recaptcha. I thought it was accessible and thats why I used it.
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Thank you I have no direct contact with the client , but did raise
concern to those who do have contact with the client.
The client does listen to user complaints.... It can be difficult for
those without disabilities as well.

I am not a screen reader expert but with difficulty was able to access
the link, listen to the audio and type in the numbers and successfully
submit...

Nancy


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson
< = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Also, don't forget that the audio for captcha is generally usually so
> bad that it is impossible to work with.
> Make sure your client is willing to sit down and do 5 tries regetting
> in using only the audio.
> If he/she gets in 4 times it might b possible for them to accept it as
> a solution.
> If not, they might understand what an unreasonable hurdle this is.
>
> (I know i am preaching to the choir on this one, I wish there was a
> better CAPTCHA technology out there, I think sending authentication
> cdes via text or email should be a reasonable alternative, in Iceland
> this is doable because people can sign up their phone and email
> addresses via a central national registration directory. The problem
> has not quite disappeared but it is close to disappearing).
> Cheers
> -B
>
> On 7/14/14, Birkir R. Gunnarsson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> It depends.
>> If the button is implemnted as an anchor tag it is probably mising the
>> href attribute (also, fo role="button" and ideally support fr space
>> bar key in addition to enter, though that is straying into best
>> practice territory).
>> .
>> If it is a span it is probably missing tabindex="0" (plus
>> role="button" and support or both enter and spacebar key presses or
>> key codes 13 and 32 respectively).
>> Not sure if you can do a front end Javascript hack to put these
>> elements in place.
>>
>>
>> On 7/10/14, Nancy Johnson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>> Whoops. I didn't know and had been frustrating me for a long time.
>>> The back-end web-developer added arbitrary focus elements. Still need
>>> to know about accessing the refresh button without a mouse...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Nancy Johnson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>> wrote:
>>>> I am using the 'clean' theme..
>>>> I noticed:
>>>> 1. on page load, the focus goes to the captcha input instead of the
>>>> top of the page. Is there a work around?
>>>> 2. there is no visual focus ( I was able to override the style to put
>>>> one back in)
>>>> 3. I could not access the reset image, nor did NVDA announce the
>>>> audio, without a mouse.
>>>> Is there a keyboard command for this?
>>>>
>>>> Client wanted captcha even with all the issues around it.
>>>>
>>>> Nancy
>>> >>> >>> >>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
>>
>
>
> --
> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
> > >

From: Nusbaum, Christopher
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2014 6:19AM
Subject: Re: recaptcha. I thought it was accessible and thats why I used it.
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Another solution is to embed an easy security question into the authentication part of a Web form. For example, I have seen questions as simple as, "Is ice hot or cold?" Check boxes or radio buttons could then be added so the human viewer can select his/her answer and click "Submit."

Christopher A. (Chris) Nusbaum, Intern
Technology Services Department
Assistive Technology Program
Carroll County Public Schools
Phone: (410) 751-3428
Cell: (443) 547-2409
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