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From: John Hicks
Date: Tue, Jul 15 2014 7:37AM
Subject: VoiceOver interpretation of numbers
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Hello everyone,

Working with Voiceover on an iPad mini. Long numbers without commas
(these are actually ID numbers) are read correctly, that is

234543123 is read "two three four five four three one two three"

But if there happens to be a letter in the final position (as happens to
be the case in the domain I am using voiceover in) :

234543123G .... sunddenly becomes "two hundred thirty four million, five
hundred forty three thousand one hundred twenty three grams"

I can not find a way to turn of this "feature"!

does anyone have an idea? I have scoured the parameters and spent time
searching in the forums and userguides....



--
John Hicks ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )
Ingénieur Consultant en Accessibilité
Docteur en Sciences Cognitives

www.Urbilog.fr -- Solutions Accessibles

From: Paul J. Adam
Date: Tue, Jul 15 2014 7:53AM
Subject: Re: VoiceOver interpretation of numbers
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This works to control verbosity for iOS only. Would be great of other screen readers supported it!

http://pauljadam.com/demos/css3speech.html

CSS Speech Module

W3C Candidate Recommendation 20 March 2012

CSS Code

<style>
.address, .phone, .zip {
speak: digits;
}
code {
speak: literal-punctuation;
}
</style>


Paul J. Adam
Accessibility Evangelist
www.deque.com

On Jul 15, 2014, at 8:37 AM, John Hicks < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Working with Voiceover on an iPad mini. Long numbers without commas (these are actually ID numbers) are read correctly, that is
>
> 234543123 is read "two three four five four three one two three"
>
> But if there happens to be a letter in the final position (as happens to be the case in the domain I am using voiceover in) :
>
> 234543123G .... sunddenly becomes "two hundred thirty four million, five hundred forty three thousand one hundred twenty three grams"
>
> I can not find a way to turn of this "feature"!
>
> does anyone have an idea? I have scoured the parameters and spent time searching in the forums and userguides....
>
>
>
> --
> John Hicks ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )
> Ingénieur Consultant en Accessibilité
> Docteur en Sciences Cognitives
>
> www.Urbilog.fr -- Solutions Accessibles
>
>
> > >

From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Tue, Jul 15 2014 8:02AM
Subject: Re: VoiceOver interpretation of numbers
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> Would be great of other screen readers supported it!

It also would be great if mobile browsers allowed users to specify custom
stylesheets like this.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Paul J. Adam
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:53 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] VoiceOver interpretation of numbers

This works to control verbosity for iOS only. Would be great of other
screen readers supported it!

http://pauljadam.com/demos/css3speech.html

CSS Speech Module

W3C Candidate Recommendation 20 March 2012

CSS Code

<style>
.address, .phone, .zip {
speak: digits;
}
code {
speak: literal-punctuation;
}
</style>


Paul J. Adam
Accessibility Evangelist
www.deque.com

On Jul 15, 2014, at 8:37 AM, John Hicks < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Working with Voiceover on an iPad mini. Long numbers without commas
> (these are actually ID numbers) are read correctly, that is
>
> 234543123 is read "two three four five four three one two three"
>
> But if there happens to be a letter in the final position (as happens to
be the case in the domain I am using voiceover in) :
>
> 234543123G .... sunddenly becomes "two hundred thirty four million, five
hundred forty three thousand one hundred twenty three grams"
>
> I can not find a way to turn of this "feature"!
>
> does anyone have an idea? I have scoured the parameters and spent time
searching in the forums and userguides....
>
>
>
> --
> John Hicks ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )
> Ingénieur Consultant en Accessibilité
> Docteur en Sciences Cognitives
>
> www.Urbilog.fr -- Solutions Accessibles
>
>
> > > list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =

messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =

From: John Hicks
Date: Mon, Aug 04 2014 6:47AM
Subject: Re: VoiceOver interpretation of numbers
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Back to this, after a while
Thank you for the tips, I have tried some; there is still a problem
with the numbers, but I attribute it to bad coding.

However, there seems to be no accounting for treatment of number final
letters (they are announced whatever the style)

V = Volts
W = Watts
G = Grams ... etc etc

has anybody else seen .... or rather heard this?

John



Le 15/07/2014 16:02, Jonathan Avila a écrit :
>> Would be great of other screen readers supported it!
> It also would be great if mobile browsers allowed users to specify custom
> stylesheets like this.
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Paul J. Adam
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:53 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] VoiceOver interpretation of numbers
>
> This works to control verbosity for iOS only. Would be great of other
> screen readers supported it!
>
> http://pauljadam.com/demos/css3speech.html
>
> CSS Speech Module
>
> W3C Candidate Recommendation 20 March 2012
>
> CSS Code
>
> <style>
> .address, .phone, .zip {
> speak: digits;
> }
> code {
> speak: literal-punctuation;
> }
> </style>
>
>
> Paul J. Adam
> Accessibility Evangelist
> www.deque.com
>
> On Jul 15, 2014, at 8:37 AM, John Hicks < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Working with Voiceover on an iPad mini. Long numbers without commas
>> (these are actually ID numbers) are read correctly, that is
>>
>> 234543123 is read "two three four five four three one two three"
>>
>> But if there happens to be a letter in the final position (as happens to
> be the case in the domain I am using voiceover in) :
>> 234543123G .... sunddenly becomes "two hundred thirty four million, five
> hundred forty three thousand one hundred twenty three grams"
>> I can not find a way to turn of this "feature"!
>>
>> does anyone have an idea? I have scoured the parameters and spent time
> searching in the forums and userguides....
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Hicks ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )
>> Ingénieur Consultant en Accessibilité
>> Docteur en Sciences Cognitives
>>
>> www.Urbilog.fr -- Solutions Accessibles
>>
>>
>> >> >> list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > > messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > > >


--
John Hicks ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )
Ingénieur Consultant en Accessibilité
Docteur en Sciences Cognitives

www.Urbilog.fr -- Solutions Accessibles

From: John Hicks
Date: Fri, Aug 08 2014 6:41AM
Subject: Re: VoiceOver interpretation of numbers
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Hello At the risk of just talking to myself about this (admittedly narrow)
state of affairs.... To get rid of the "units" interpretation of letters
like M, G, W, H, etc (iOS 7 interprets these letters as "metres" "grams"
"watts" and "hours" respectively) the style you need is "spell-out" .
"digits" alone won't cut it but style="speak : spell-out" ensures that the
letters are read as letters and not interpreted as units. This works fine
if you select the text, or arrive at it with the rotor , but if you read
the whole screen (or part thereof) using the two finger up or down gesture
.... the Units come back! This happens even if you assign the style to
the container itself (instead of to each item). More bizarreness then
.... John

Le 04/08/2014 14:47, John Hicks a écrit :
Back to this,
after a while
Thank you for the tips, I have tried some; there is still a
problem with the numbers, but I attribute it to bad coding.

However,
there seems to be no accounting for treatment of number final letters (they
are announced whatever the style)

V = Volts
W = Watts
G = Grams ...
etc etc

has anybody else seen .... or rather heard this?

John

Le
15/07/2014 16:02, Jonathan Avila a écrit :
Would be great of other
screen readers supported it!
It also would be great if mobile browsers
allowed users to specify custom
stylesheets like this.

Jonathan


-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =

[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Paul J. Adam

Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:53 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject:
Re: [WebAIM] VoiceOver interpretation of numbers

This works to control
verbosity for iOS only. Would be great of other
screen readers supported
it!

http://pauljadam.com/demos/css3speech.html

CSS Speech Module

W3C
Candidate Recommendation 20 March 2012

CSS Code

.address, .phone, .zip
{
speak: digits;
}
code {
speak: literal-punctuation;
}

Paul J. Adam

Accessibility Evangelist
www.deque.com

On Jul 15, 2014, at 8:37 AM,
John Hicks wrote:

Hello everyone,

Working with Voiceover on an iPad
mini. Long numbers without commas
(these are actually ID numbers) are read
correctly, that is

234543123 is read "two three four five four three one
two three"

But if there happens to be a letter in the final position (as
happens to
be the case in the domain I am using voiceover in) :

234543123G .... sunddenly becomes "two hundred thirty four million, five

hundred forty three thousand one hundred twenty three grams"
I can not
find a way to turn of this "feature"!

does anyone have an idea? I have
scoured the parameters and spent time
searching in the forums and
userguides....

--
John Hicks ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )
Ingénieur
Consultant en Accessibilité
Docteur en Sciences Cognitives


www.Urbilog.fr -- Solutions Accessibles

--

Cordialement,

JOHN HICKS


Ingénieur Expert en accessibilité

14, rue du Coq Français

59100
ROUBAIX

Tél. : 03 28 55 21 30

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From: John Hicks
Date: Fri, Aug 08 2014 6:47AM
Subject: Re: VoiceOver interpretation of numbers
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Apologies for the bad formatting of previous message.

I should specify : this reading of letters as units is when the letters
are situated in the string final position, preceded by numbers, such as

342874758G

Which is the situation I am dealing with.


On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 14:41:12 +0200, John Hicks < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:
> Hello At the risk of just talking to myself about this (admittedly
narrow)
> state of affairs.... To get rid of the "units" interpretation of
letters
> like M, G, W, H, etc (iOS 7 interprets these letters as "metres" "grams"
> "watts" and "hours" respectively) the style you need is "spell-out" .
> "digits" alone won't cut it but style="speak : spell-out" ensures that
the
> letters are read as letters and not interpreted as units. This works
fine
> if you select the text, or arrive at it with the rotor , but if you read
> the whole screen (or part thereof) using the two finger up or down
gesture
> .... the Units come back! This happens even if you assign the style
to
> the container itself (instead of to each item). More bizarreness then
> .... John
>
> Le 04/08/2014 14:47, John Hicks a écrit :
> Back to this,
> after a while
> Thank you for the tips, I have tried some; there is still a
> problem with the numbers, but I attribute it to bad coding.
>
> However,
> there seems to be no accounting for treatment of number final letters
(they
> are announced whatever the style)
>
> V = Volts
> W = Watts
> G = Grams ...
> etc etc
>
> has anybody else seen .... or rather heard this?
>
> John
>
> Le
> 15/07/2014 16:02, Jonathan Avila a écrit :
> Would be great of other
> screen readers supported it!
> It also would be great if mobile browsers
> allowed users to specify custom
> stylesheets like this.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Paul J. Adam
>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:53 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject:
> Re: [WebAIM] VoiceOver interpretation of numbers
>
> This works to control
> verbosity for iOS only. Would be great of other
> screen readers supported
> it!
>
> http://pauljadam.com/demos/css3speech.html
>
> CSS Speech Module
>
> W3C
> Candidate Recommendation 20 March 2012
>
> CSS Code
>
> .address, .phone, .zip
> {
> speak: digits;
> }
> code {
> speak: literal-punctuation;
> }
>
> Paul J. Adam
>
> Accessibility Evangelist
> www.deque.com
>
> On Jul 15, 2014, at 8:37 AM,
> John Hicks wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Working with Voiceover on an iPad
> mini. Long numbers without commas
> (these are actually ID numbers) are read
> correctly, that is
>
> 234543123 is read "two three four five four three one
> two three"
>
> But if there happens to be a letter in the final position (as
> happens to
> be the case in the domain I am using voiceover in) :
>
> 234543123G .... sunddenly becomes "two hundred thirty four million, five

>
> hundred forty three thousand one hundred twenty three grams"
> I can not
> find a way to turn of this "feature"!
>
> does anyone have an idea? I have
> scoured the parameters and spent time
> searching in the forums and
> userguides....
>
> --
> John Hicks ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )
> Ingénieur
> Consultant en Accessibilité
> Docteur en Sciences Cognitives
>
>
> www.Urbilog.fr -- Solutions Accessibles

--
Cordialement,

JOHN HICKS

Ingénieur Expert en accessibilité

14, rue du Coq Français

59100 ROUBAIX

Tél. : 03 28 55 21 30

_Retrouvez nos réflexions et notre état de l'art sur l'URBI-BLOG !_

Préservons notre environnement. N'imprimez ce mail que si vous en avez
l'utilité._