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From: Musthafa KP
Date: Tue, Aug 12 2014 10:56PM
Subject: ARIA landmarks
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Can I put other regions inside the main content ( role="main"). For eg: I
have a main post and set of links related to that post, I want to put these
links inside the main content. Will it cause any accessibility issues?
From: lists@srinivasu.org
Date: Tue, Aug 12 2014 11:50PM
Subject: Re: ARIA landmarks
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You can use but as the links are an additional part of the main article, use of <aside> element would be good.
Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | PayPal | @csrinivasu
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> On 13-Aug-2014, at 10:26, Musthafa KP < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Can I put other regions inside the main content ( role="main"). For eg: I
> have a main post and set of links related to that post, I want to put these
> links inside the main content. Will it cause any accessibility issues?
> > >
From: Ravindra Kumar Jain
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2014 11:47PM
Subject: Re: Why is Insert + ; shortcut removed in Jaws 15 for Skipping ARIA Landmarks ?
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Hi List ,
Using JAWS 15 in trial mode I noticed something which was unanticipated.
Till JAWS 13 pressing Insert + ; was used to skip to different
Landmarks, which according to me was a very good feature , but sadly
not working in JAWS 15.
After which tried googling, and referring the following page for
keyboard shortcut.
http://webaim.org/articles/jaws/
Pressing Insert + R as mentioned in webaim , only reads out , "You
must turn on either JAWS or Invisible cursor before you can set
restriction ".
Only what comes closer is pressing Q for going to main region and
pressing Control + Insert + R for listing out ARIA Landmarks. Which
according to me is a "reduced functionality and inconvenient". Am I
missing out something ?
Is it something to do with Html 5 ? Why was this simple
functionality change in the later versions ?
By what I see their are atleast 1000 sites referring to "JaWS Keyboard
shortcuts " which have become standard over a period of time , Every
time a version of JAWS comes up, with a relatively a new set of
shortcuts, does it not creates confusion for a general JAWS user
whose search results may not directly go to freedom scientific sites ,
but to one of those sites which have not been updated for years ?
Adding to confusion are thousands of keyboard shortcuts which user
has to remember for accomplishing a task.
Looking at a bigger picture , Does this means that every time the
user learns a new version of JAWS , he has to again do R & D for new
shortcuts by going to freedom scientific website which are unclear
many times ? In my opinion this will discourage other online web
content authors to write about JAWS. This in my opinion certainly
discourages accessibility testers to suggest developers to add ARIA
page role definitions.
Ravindra Kumar Jain
Accessibility Engineer
Onya Digital Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
From: Bim Egan
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2014 2:49AM
Subject: Re: Why is Insert + ; shortcut removed in Jaws 15 for Skipping ARIA Landmarks ?
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Hi,
Have you tried pressing just the letter "r"? I discovered this when
seeking radio buttons in a form. "R" now navigates between regions. I
haven't found a replacement shortcut for radio buttons.
HTH
Bim
On 21/08/2014 06:47, Ravindra Kumar Jain wrote:
> Hi List ,
>
> Using JAWS 15 in trial mode I noticed something which was unanticipated.
> Till JAWS 13 pressing Insert + ; was used to skip to different
> Landmarks, which according to me was a very good feature , but sadly
> not working in JAWS 15.
> After which tried googling, and referring the following page for
> keyboard shortcut.
> http://webaim.org/articles/jaws/
>
> Pressing Insert + R as mentioned in webaim , only reads out , "You
> must turn on either JAWS or Invisible cursor before you can set
> restriction ".
> Only what comes closer is pressing Q for going to main region and
> pressing Control + Insert + R for listing out ARIA Landmarks. Which
> according to me is a "reduced functionality and inconvenient". Am I
> missing out something ?
> Is it something to do with Html 5 ? Why was this simple
> functionality change in the later versions ?
>
> By what I see their are atleast 1000 sites referring to "JaWS Keyboard
> shortcuts " which have become standard over a period of time , Every
> time a version of JAWS comes up, with a relatively a new set of
> shortcuts, does it not creates confusion for a general JAWS user
> whose search results may not directly go to freedom scientific sites ,
> but to one of those sites which have not been updated for years ?
>
> Adding to confusion are thousands of keyboard shortcuts which user
> has to remember for accomplishing a task.
> Looking at a bigger picture , Does this means that every time the
> user learns a new version of JAWS , he has to again do R & D for new
> shortcuts by going to freedom scientific website which are unclear
> many times ? In my opinion this will discourage other online web
> content authors to write about JAWS. This in my opinion certainly
> discourages accessibility testers to suggest developers to add ARIA
> page role definitions.
>
> Ravindra Kumar Jain
> Accessibility Engineer
> Onya Digital Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
> > > >
From: Léonie Watson
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2014 2:54AM
Subject: Re: Why is Insert + ; shortcut removed in Jaws 15 for Skipping ARIA Landmarks ?
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Ravindra Kumar Jain wrote:
"Using JAWS 15 in trial mode I noticed something which was unanticipated.
Till JAWS 13 pressing Insert + ; was used to skip to different
Landmarks, which according to me was a very good feature , but sadly not
working in JAWS 15."
The "insert" key is not required. To move between landmarks on web pages in
Jaws -14, only the ";" (semi-colon) key is required.
"Pressing Insert + R as mentioned in webaim , only reads out , "You must
turn on either JAWS or Invisible cursor before you can set restriction ".
Only what comes closer is pressing Q for going to main region and pressing
Control + Insert + R for listing out ARIA Landmarks. Which according to me
is a "reduced functionality and inconvenient". Am I missing out something
?"
As before, the "insert" key is not required. Use "r" to move between
landmarks in Jaws15+.
" Is it something to do with Html 5 ? Why was this simple
functionality change in the later versions ?"
No, it's nothing to do with HTML5. The Jaws quick nav keys were changed to
make them more user friendly. Semi-colon is not an intuitive key to
remember, whereas "r" is much easier because it moves focus from one
landmark region to another.
"Adding to confusion are thousands of keyboard shortcuts which user has to
remember for accomplishing a task."
There are probably only a couple of hundred commands for any particular
screen reader, Jaws is no exception. Most screen reader users will only
utilise a handful of those though.
"Looking at a bigger picture , Does this means that every time the user
learns a new version of JAWS , he has to again do R & D for new shortcuts by
going to freedom scientific website which are unclear many times ?"
It isn't unreasonable for new versions (of any software) to introduce new
features and occaissional changes. That said, Jaws quick nav keys have
remained fairly constant since they were introduced in Jaws 4.5 in 2002. New
quick nav keys have been added over the years, including the landmark
shortcut in Jaws 12 in 2010, but to the best of my knowledge the change to
the landmark shortcut is an exception rather than the norm.
Léonie.
From: Léonie Watson
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2014 2:56AM
Subject: Re: Why is Insert + ; shortcut removed in Jaws 15 for Skipping ARIA Landmarks ?
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Bim Egan wrote:
""R" now navigates between regions. I haven't found a replacement shortcut
for radio buttons."
In Jaws15+ the shortcut for radio buttons is "a".
HTH.
Léonie.
--
@LeonieWatson Carpe diem.
From: timy sebastian
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2014 3:54AM
Subject: Re: Why is Insert + ; shortcut removed in Jaws 15 for Skipping ARIA Landmarks ?
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Letter A is the shortcut for the radio buttons in jaws 15.
From: Bim Egan
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2014 8:51AM
Subject: Re: Why is Insert + ; shortcut removed in Jaws 15 for Skipping ARIA Landmarks ?
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Thanks to both you and Léonie. for the answer.
Bim
On 21/08/2014 10:54, timy sebastian wrote:
> Letter A is the shortcut for the radio buttons in jaws 15.
>
>
> > > >
From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2014 8:58AM
Subject: Re: Why is Insert + ; shortcut removed in Jaws 15 for Skipping ARIA Landmarks ?
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Hi
I believe that ctrl-insert-r in Jaws 15 still works to see all the
ARIA regions on the page. I am on vacation with an old laptop with me,
so I only have a 14 on it and cannot verify this.
It is true that insert-r has to do with virtual cursor operations but
ctrl-insert-r should enable user to navigate the landmarks structure,
if present.
There has been quite a bit of confusion surrounding the switch from ;
to r for this, but I believe that FS wanted to make the navigation
more intuitive for users by using "r" for "regions", though it is
purely guesswork on my part.
; is now used for mouseover actions while radiobuttons cannot be
naviged to by using the "a" key as Leonie pointed out.
Those of you who have websites with screen reader shortcuts, please
revise if possible.
I know it is a pain in the unmentionables to have to add another
complication to such tables, but I hope that the switch does help to
promote landmarks as powerful navigational aids on well-designed
websites and encourage users and web designers alike to take advantage
of them.
On 8/21/14, Bim Egan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks to both you and Léonie. for the answer.
>
> Bim
>
>
> On 21/08/2014 10:54, timy sebastian wrote:
>> Letter A is the shortcut for the radio buttons in jaws 15.
>>
>>
>> >> >> >>
>
> > > >
--
Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
From: Don Mauck
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2014 9:04AM
Subject: Re: Why is Insert + ; shortcut removed in Jaws 15 for Skipping ARIA Landmarks ?
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You are correct.
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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:58 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Why is Insert + ; shortcut removed in Jaws 15 for Skipping ARIA Landmarks ?
Hi
I believe that ctrl-insert-r in Jaws 15 still works to see all the ARIA regions on the page. I am on vacation with an old laptop with me, so I only have a 14 on it and cannot verify this.
It is true that insert-r has to do with virtual cursor operations but ctrl-insert-r should enable user to navigate the landmarks structure, if present.
There has been quite a bit of confusion surrounding the switch from ; to r for this, but I believe that FS wanted to make the navigation more intuitive for users by using "r" for "regions", though it is purely guesswork on my part.
; is now used for mouseover actions while radiobuttons cannot be naviged to by using the "a" key as Leonie pointed out.
Those of you who have websites with screen reader shortcuts, please revise if possible.
I know it is a pain in the unmentionables to have to add another complication to such tables, but I hope that the switch does help to promote landmarks as powerful navigational aids on well-designed websites and encourage users and web designers alike to take advantage of them.
On 8/21/14, Bim Egan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks to both you and Léonie. for the answer.
>
> Bim
>
>
> On 21/08/2014 10:54, timy sebastian wrote:
>> Letter A is the shortcut for the radio buttons in jaws 15.
>>
>>
>> >> >> list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>
>
> > > list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>
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From: Joey G.
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2014 5:29PM
Subject: Re: Why is Insert + ; shortcut removed in Jaws 15 for Skipping ARIA Landmarks ?
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Hello.
Because the discussion is about aria regions, I have a quick question. In
JAWS 15, the command I used to use to navigate blockquote regions letter Q
has now been changed. It is now used to go immediately to the main region.
Do you know if there's a new shortcut key for blockquotes?
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From: Don Mauck [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:05 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Why is Insert + ; shortcut removed in Jaws 15 for
Skipping ARIA Landmarks ?
You are correct.
-----Original Message-----
From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:58 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Why is Insert + ; shortcut removed in Jaws 15 for
Skipping ARIA Landmarks ?
Hi
I believe that ctrl-insert-r in Jaws 15 still works to see all the ARIA
regions on the page. I am on vacation with an old laptop with me, so I only
have a 14 on it and cannot verify this.
It is true that insert-r has to do with virtual cursor operations but
ctrl-insert-r should enable user to navigate the landmarks structure, if
present.
There has been quite a bit of confusion surrounding the switch from ; to r
for this, but I believe that FS wanted to make the navigation more intuitive
for users by using "r" for "regions", though it is purely guesswork on my
part.
; is now used for mouseover actions while radiobuttons cannot be naviged to
by using the "a" key as Leonie pointed out.
Those of you who have websites with screen reader shortcuts, please revise
if possible.
I know it is a pain in the unmentionables to have to add another
complication to such tables, but I hope that the switch does help to promote
landmarks as powerful navigational aids on well-designed websites and
encourage users and web designers alike to take advantage of them.
On 8/21/14, Bim Egan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks to both you and Léonie. for the answer.
>
> Bim
>
>
> On 21/08/2014 10:54, timy sebastian wrote:
>> Letter A is the shortcut for the radio buttons in jaws 15.
>>
>>
>> >> >> list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>
>
> > > list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>
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