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From: Cliff Tyllick
Date: Thu, May 28 2015 1:33AM
Subject: Joomla! Accessibility
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Pardon my lazyweb approach, but does anyone on this list have direct knowledge of whether the open source content management system Joomla! conforms with ATAG 2.0?
Thanks!
Cliff Tyllick
Texas Department of Assistive and Rehabilitative Services
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From: John E Brandt
Date: Sat, May 30 2015 8:50AM
Subject: Re: Joomla! Accessibility
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Hi Cliff,
I have a couple of Joomla (v2.5x) sites still running. The key was getting templates that were accessible and of course doing due diligence in keeping content accessible.
As with all CMSs, the problems always come with the template/themes and the plugins, so results may vary.
I will be moving two of the sites to Joomla v3.5x in the coming weeks as v2.5 is no longer supported. The third site, the largest of the three will be converted to WordPress.
On a side note, development related to accessibility for Drupal and Joomla have been minimal in recent years while the WordPress development world is going gang-busters and has an active team of dedicated volunteers who are continuously improving the core and testing templates. Hence my move to WP and away from the other two CMSs.
If you have a choice of CMSs, you may want to steer to WordPress if you are concerned about accessibility.
~j
John E. Brandt
jebswebs: accessible and universal web design,
development and consultation
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
207-622-7937
Augusta, Maine, USA
@jebswebs
www.jebswebs.com
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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Cliff Tyllick
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:33 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] Joomla! Accessibility
Pardon my lazyweb approach, but does anyone on this list have direct knowledge of whether the open source content management system Joomla! conforms with ATAG 2.0?
Thanks!
Cliff Tyllick
Texas Department of Assistive and Rehabilitative Services
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Although its spellcheck often saves me, all goofs in sent messages are its fault.
From: JAKE JOEHL
Date: Thu, Jun 04 2015 4:11PM
Subject: Re: Joomla! Accessibility
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This is good info to know. Just this morning on our way to a poster session follow-up to a university class at which we presented, I was talking with a friend and former colleague about this very subject. Awhile back I had heard from another former colleague that the 3 most accessible CMS's at the time were WordPress, Joomla! and Drupal. So that's exactly what I told the former colleague this morning. I think a close runner-up is Dreamwidth Studios, where I have my journal. I've only been on that platform since last year, but it seems like they have demonstrated a clear commitment to universal accessibility. Granted I've only used Dreamwidth with VoiceOver, but I'm told it works well with the other screen readers too. I think I have to tweak some of my settings on there, but everything I've seen is fully accessible.
Jake
Please visit me at http://jazzyjj.dreamwidth.org .
On May 30, 2015, at 9:50 AM, John E Brandt < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
Hi Cliff,
I have a couple of Joomla (v2.5x) sites still running. The key was getting templates that were accessible and of course doing due diligence in keeping content accessible.
As with all CMSs, the problems always come with the template/themes and the plugins, so results may vary.
I will be moving two of the sites to Joomla v3.5x in the coming weeks as v2.5 is no longer supported. The third site, the largest of the three will be converted to WordPress.
On a side note, development related to accessibility for Drupal and Joomla have been minimal in recent years while the WordPress development world is going gang-busters and has an active team of dedicated volunteers who are continuously improving the core and testing templates. Hence my move to WP and away from the other two CMSs.
If you have a choice of CMSs, you may want to steer to WordPress if you are concerned about accessibility.
~j
John E. Brandt
jebswebs: accessible and universal web design,
development and consultation
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
207-622-7937
Augusta, Maine, USA
@jebswebs
www.jebswebs.com
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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Cliff Tyllick
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:33 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] Joomla! Accessibility
Pardon my lazyweb approach, but does anyone on this list have direct knowledge of whether the open source content management system Joomla! conforms with ATAG 2.0?
Thanks!
Cliff Tyllick
Texas Department of Assistive and Rehabilitative Services
Sent from my iPhone
Although its spellcheck often saves me, all goofs in sent messages are its fault.
From: Pratik Patel
Date: Thu, Jun 04 2015 9:04PM
Subject: Re: Joomla! Accessibility
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" On a side note, development related to accessibility for Drupal and Joomla have been minimal in recent years while the WordPress development world is going
gang-busters and has an active team of dedicated volunteers who are continuously improving the core and testing templates. Hence my move to WP and away
from the other two CMSs."
This is strictly not true for Drupal. It just happens to be pretty slow at major releases. 8.0 has been in development for several years now. Accessibility is a significant focus for Drupal 8. Quite a few people (including Mike Gifford from Canada) have put in a lot of work. That being said, however, Wordpress' rapid release and the recent focus on accessibility makes it seem like they're doing a lot of work. And they are. This combined with its focus on becoming a true CMS--as opposed to just a blogging platform--certainly makes Wordpress a viable platform.
Regards,
Pratik
Pratik Patel
Founder and CEO, EZFire
M: 718-249-7019
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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of JAKE JOEHL
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 6:12 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Joomla! Accessibility
This is good info to know. Just this morning on our way to a poster session follow-up to a university class at which we presented, I was talking with a friend and former colleague about this very subject. Awhile back I had heard from another former colleague that the 3 most accessible CMS's at the time were WordPress, Joomla! and Drupal. So that's exactly what I told the former colleague this morning. I think a close runner-up is Dreamwidth Studios, where I have my journal. I've only been on that platform since last year, but it seems like they have demonstrated a clear commitment to universal accessibility. Granted I've only used Dreamwidth with VoiceOver, but I'm told it works well with the other screen readers too. I think I have to tweak some of my settings on there, but everything I've seen is fully accessible.
Jake
Please visit me at http://jazzyjj.dreamwidth.org .
On May 30, 2015, at 9:50 AM, John E Brandt < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
Hi Cliff,
I have a couple of Joomla (v2.5x) sites still running. The key was getting templates that were accessible and of course doing due diligence in keeping content accessible.
As with all CMSs, the problems always come with the template/themes and the plugins, so results may vary.
I will be moving two of the sites to Joomla v3.5x in the coming weeks as v2.5 is no longer supported. The third site, the largest of the three will be converted to WordPress.
On a side note, development related to accessibility for Drupal and Joomla have been minimal in recent years while the WordPress development world is going gang-busters and has an active team of dedicated volunteers who are continuously improving the core and testing templates. Hence my move to WP and away from the other two CMSs.
If you have a choice of CMSs, you may want to steer to WordPress if you are concerned about accessibility.
~j
John E. Brandt
jebswebs: accessible and universal web design,
development and consultation
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
207-622-7937
Augusta, Maine, USA
@jebswebs
www.jebswebs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Cliff Tyllick
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:33 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] Joomla! Accessibility
Pardon my lazyweb approach, but does anyone on this list have direct knowledge of whether the open source content management system Joomla! conforms with ATAG 2.0?
Thanks!
Cliff Tyllick
Texas Department of Assistive and Rehabilitative Services
Sent from my iPhone
Although its spellcheck often saves me, all goofs in sent messages are its fault.
From: Cliff Tyllick
Date: Tue, Jun 16 2015 12:19AM
Subject: Re: Joomla! Accessibility
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Pratik, thanks for correcting the story on Drupal development. I have heard
from friends who are blind and develop websites that the admin interface of
Drupal is highly accessible. We spent a lot of time on that starting in
updates to Drupal 6. And I know Joseph O'Connor and Joe Dolson have been
working tirelessly to make WordPress a better tool for developing
accessible websites. (I hope I'm not leaving out anyone whose contributions
have been comparableâit's just that I know Joseph and Joe well enough to
know that they have been highly involved.)
For everyone else, if you're interested in how you can use Drupal to build
accessible websites, Mike Gifford is giving a webinar on that topic as part
of the Drupal Association Webcast Series today, June 16, at 3â4 p.m. EDT/
2â3 p.m. CDT/ noonâ1 p.m. PDT. For folks in other time zones, I think
that's 7â8 p.m. UST, but you might double-check.
You can register for the webinar here:
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/2600404738422857217
Or, after the fact, find a link to the recorded webinar on the Web page of
the Drupal Association Webcast Series:
https://assoc.drupal.org/webcasts
John, I'm curious as to when all the work on making Joomla! accessible was
done. On joomla.org, it looks like the 3-member Joomla Accessibility
Working Group formed 3 months ago, and the accessibility issue queue has
only a handful of issues that are actually about accessibility and not
duplicates.
Cliff Tyllick
Accessibility Specialist
Texas Department of Assistive and Rehabilitative Services
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Pratik Patel < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> " On a side note, development related to accessibility for Drupal and
> Joomla have been minimal in recent years while the WordPress development
> world is going
> gang-busters and has an active team of dedicated volunteers who are
> continuously improving the core and testing templates. Hence my move to WP
> and away
> from the other two CMSs."
>
> This is strictly not true for Drupal. It just happens to be pretty slow at
> major releases. 8.0 has been in development for several years now.
> Accessibility is a significant focus for Drupal 8. Quite a few people
> (including Mike Gifford from Canada) have put in a lot of work. That being
> said, however, Wordpress' rapid release and the recent focus on
> accessibility makes it seem like they're doing a lot of work. And they are.
> This combined with its focus on becoming a true CMS--as opposed to just a
> blogging platform--certainly makes Wordpress a viable platform.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pratik
>
>
>
> Pratik Patel
> Founder and CEO, EZFire
> M: 718-249-7019
> E: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = (or = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )
> Follow me on Twitter: @ppatel
> Follow me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pratik-patel/9/985/882
> Skype: Patel.pratik
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of JAKE JOEHL
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 6:12 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Joomla! Accessibility
>
> This is good info to know. Just this morning on our way to a poster
> session follow-up to a university class at which we presented, I was
> talking with a friend and former colleague about this very subject. Awhile
> back I had heard from another former colleague that the 3 most accessible
> CMS's at the time were WordPress, Joomla! and Drupal. So that's exactly
> what I told the former colleague this morning. I think a close runner-up
> is Dreamwidth Studios, where I have my journal. I've only been on that
> platform since last year, but it seems like they have demonstrated a clear
> commitment to universal accessibility. Granted I've only used Dreamwidth
> with VoiceOver, but I'm told it works well with the other screen readers
> too. I think I have to tweak some of my settings on there, but everything
> I've seen is fully accessible.
> Jake
> Please visit me at http://jazzyjj.dreamwidth.org .
>
>
>
> On May 30, 2015, at 9:50 AM, John E Brandt < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hi Cliff,
>
> I have a couple of Joomla (v2.5x) sites still running. The key was getting
> templates that were accessible and of course doing due diligence in keeping
> content accessible.
>
> As with all CMSs, the problems always come with the template/themes and
> the plugins, so results may vary.
>
> I will be moving two of the sites to Joomla v3.5x in the coming weeks as
> v2.5 is no longer supported. The third site, the largest of the three will
> be converted to WordPress.
>
> On a side note, development related to accessibility for Drupal and Joomla
> have been minimal in recent years while the WordPress development world is
> going gang-busters and has an active team of dedicated volunteers who are
> continuously improving the core and testing templates. Hence my move to WP
> and away from the other two CMSs.
>
> If you have a choice of CMSs, you may want to steer to WordPress if you
> are concerned about accessibility.
>
> ~j
>
> John E. Brandt
> jebswebs: accessible and universal web design,
> development and consultation
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> 207-622-7937
> Augusta, Maine, USA
>
> @jebswebs
> www.jebswebs.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of Cliff Tyllick
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:33 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Joomla! Accessibility
>
> Pardon my lazyweb approach, but does anyone on this list have direct
> knowledge of whether the open source content management system Joomla!
> conforms with ATAG 2.0?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cliff Tyllick
> Texas Department of Assistive and Rehabilitative Services
>
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> fault.
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