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From: Mike Warner
Date: Wed, Jun 24 2015 9:44AM
Subject: longdesc or hidden div?
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Hi all,

I've been wondering about whether a hidden div following a complex image is
better than a longdesc. Since longdesc involves a pop-up or new tab, I'd
think that the hidden div would be preferable. Can I get your opinions on
this?

Thank you,
Mike

Mike Warner
Director of IT Services
MindEdge, Inc.

From: Dale Cruse
Date: Wed, Jun 24 2015 10:04AM
Subject: Re: longdesc or hidden div?
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Have you considered using the <figure> and <figcaption> elements?

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Mike Warner < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've been wondering about whether a hidden div following a complex image is
> better than a longdesc. Since longdesc involves a pop-up or new tab, I'd
> think that the hidden div would be preferable. Can I get your opinions on
> this?
>
> Thank you,
> Mike
>
> Mike Warner
> Director of IT Services
> MindEdge, Inc.
> > > > >

From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Wed, Jun 24 2015 10:06AM
Subject: Re: longdesc or hidden div?
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> I'd think that the hidden div would be preferable. Can I get your opinions on
this?

You'd want to make sure the long description is available to users with low vision and cognitive disabilities.

Jonathan

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-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Mike Warner
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 11:44 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] longdesc or hidden div?

Hi all,

I've been wondering about whether a hidden div following a complex image is better than a longdesc. Since longdesc involves a pop-up or new tab, I'd
think that the hidden div would be preferable. Can I get your opinions on
this?

Thank you,
Mike

Mike Warner
Director of IT Services
MindEdge, Inc.

From: Whitney Quesenbery
Date: Mon, Jul 06 2015 8:43AM
Subject: Re: longdesc or hidden div?
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Or, that any reader can read a description. This is especially important
for complex images where it may tell 1000 different stories, making it good
content to explain which story you are trying to tell.

** Rethink the problem, don't just add a bandaid **

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:06 PM Jonathan Avila < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> > I'd think that the hidden div would be preferable. Can I get your
> opinions on
> this?
>
> You'd want to make sure the long description is available to users with
> low vision and cognitive disabilities.
>
> Jonathan
>
> --
> Jonathan Avila
> Chief Accessibility Officer
> SSB BART Group
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Mike Warner
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 11:44 AM
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> Subject: [WebAIM] longdesc or hidden div?
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've been wondering about whether a hidden div following a complex image
> is better than a longdesc. Since longdesc involves a pop-up or new tab, I'd
> think that the hidden div would be preferable. Can I get your opinions on
> this?
>
> Thank you,
> Mike
>
> Mike Warner
> Director of IT Services
> MindEdge, Inc.
> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >

From: Robert Fentress
Date: Mon, Jul 06 2015 12:03PM
Subject: Re: longdesc or hidden div?
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Hi, Mike.

Here is a recent thread on the WebAIM list that you might be interested in
that relates to this:
http://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?threadp02

Best,
Rob

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Mike Warner < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've been wondering about whether a hidden div following a complex image is
> better than a longdesc. Since longdesc involves a pop-up or new tab, I'd
> think that the hidden div would be preferable. Can I get your opinions on
> this?
>
> Thank you,
> Mike
>
> Mike Warner
> Director of IT Services
> MindEdge, Inc.
> > > > >



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From: chaals@yandex-team.ru
Date: Mon, Jul 06 2015 7:29PM
Subject: Re: longdesc or hidden div?
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24.06.2015, 17:44, "Mike Warner" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been wondering about whether a hidden div following a complex image is
> better than a longdesc. Since longdesc involves a pop-up or new tab, I'd
> think that the hidden div would be preferable. Can I get your opinions on
> this?

It isn't better. You force people to look at it or not based on your guess of what they want whereas one of the points of longdesc is to let the user choose when/whether to read it, there isn't a way to make a browser extension to find it (unless you point to it with longdesc, in which case "HUH?!?!?"…

(I would have been clearer but it is late)

cheers

> Thank you,
> Mike
>
> Mike Warner
> Director of IT Services
> MindEdge, Inc.
> > > > --
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From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Tue, Jul 07 2015 6:14AM
Subject: Re: longdesc or hidden div?
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I've been wondering about whether a hidden div following a complex image is
better than a longdesc.

It's my understanding that in HTML5 longdesc can reference a a page fragment within the current document. So I'm not sure why you could not use both longdesc and Aria-describedby.

Jonathan

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24.06.2015, 17:44, "Mike Warner" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >>:
Hi all,

I've been wondering about whether a hidden div following a complex image is
better than a longdesc. Since longdesc involves a pop-up or new tab, I'd
think that the hidden div would be preferable. Can I get your opinions on
this?

It isn't better. You force people to look at it or not based on your guess of what they want whereas one of the points of longdesc is to let the user choose when/whether to read it, there isn't a way to make a browser extension to find it (unless you point to it with longdesc, in which case "HUH?!?!?"...

(I would have been clearer but it is late)

cheers

Thank you,
Mike

Mike Warner
Director of IT Services
MindEdge, Inc.
--
Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
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