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From: Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
Date: Fri, Oct 23 2015 10:12AM
Subject: Readonly Field Problem with IE 11 and JAWS 16
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Help!

I am testing an application where some fields are presented as readonly. The problem that we are finding is that for the readonly field in IE 11 if you are using reading commands the label is read but the field is skipped, the field does not show up in a form field list either but it is included in the tab ring. When you tab to it the value is not reported and the label is reported as the label of the next field of the form.

If I review the page with either FF or Chrome (latest release) then the readonly field is reported correctly by JAWS.

This application is in a development environment and I cannot share a URL.

Is this a known bug in IE 11?

Mike Moore
Accessibility Coordinator
Texas Health and Human Services Commission
Civil Rights Office
(512) 438-3431 (Office)

From: Sailesh Panchang
Date: Fri, Oct 23 2015 12:53PM
Subject: Re: Readonly Field Problem with IE 11 and JAWS 16
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I do not experience what you do. Maybe there is a coding problem in your page?
The following code works fine in forms / non-forms mode.
I tried it with NVDA too.
<p><label>Account# (implicit label):<input type="text" readonly
name="accName1" id="accName1" value="2421223259" /></label></p>
<p><label for="accName2">Account#:</label> <input type="text" readonly
name="accName2" id="accName2" value="2421223259" /></p>

IE 11.0.960
JFW 16.0.4463

Regards and best wishes

Sailesh Panchang


On 10/23/15, Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
< = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Help!
>
> I am testing an application where some fields are presented as readonly. The
> problem that we are finding is that for the readonly field in IE 11 if you
> are using reading commands the label is read but the field is skipped, the
> field does not show up in a form field list either but it is included in the
> tab ring. When you tab to it the value is not reported and the label is
> reported as the label of the next field of the form.
>
> If I review the page with either FF or Chrome (latest release) then the
> readonly field is reported correctly by JAWS.
>
> This application is in a development environment and I cannot share a URL.
>
> Is this a known bug in IE 11?
>
> Mike Moore
> Accessibility Coordinator
> Texas Health and Human Services Commission
> Civil Rights Office
> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
>
> > > > >

From: Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
Date: Fri, Oct 23 2015 3:02PM
Subject: Re: Readonly Field Problem with IE 11 and JAWS 16
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Thanks,

I was leaning toward treating this as a problem on our side. We are also getting keyboard traps in edit fields in FF. Something appears to be wrong with some of our scripting.

Mike Moore
Accessibility Coordinator
Texas Health and Human Services Commission
Civil Rights Office
(512) 438-3431 (Office)

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Sailesh Panchang
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:54 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Readonly Field Problem with IE 11 and JAWS 16

I do not experience what you do. Maybe there is a coding problem in your page?
The following code works fine in forms / non-forms mode.
I tried it with NVDA too.
<p><label>Account# (implicit label):<input type="text" readonly name="accName1" id="accName1" value="2421223259" /></label></p> <p><label for="accName2">Account#:</label> <input type="text" readonly name="accName2" id="accName2" value="2421223259" /></p>

IE 11.0.960
JFW 16.0.4463

Regards and best wishes

Sailesh Panchang


On 10/23/15, Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Help!
>
> I am testing an application where some fields are presented as
> readonly. The problem that we are finding is that for the readonly
> field in IE 11 if you are using reading commands the label is read but
> the field is skipped, the field does not show up in a form field list
> either but it is included in the tab ring. When you tab to it the
> value is not reported and the label is reported as the label of the next field of the form.
>
> If I review the page with either FF or Chrome (latest release) then
> the readonly field is reported correctly by JAWS.
>
> This application is in a development environment and I cannot share a URL.
>
> Is this a known bug in IE 11?
>
> Mike Moore
> Accessibility Coordinator
> Texas Health and Human Services Commission Civil Rights Office
> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
>
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2015 4:42PM
Subject: Re: Readonly Field Problem with IE 11 and JAWS 16
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If, for some reason, you find bugs with the html readonly attribute,
you could mark the fields using aria-readonly="true" but that means
you have to visually indicate its read-only state, and use Javascript
to ensure user cannot type into the field.
Basically a lot of extra work to achieve same functionality.




On 10/23/15, Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
< = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> I was leaning toward treating this as a problem on our side. We are also
> getting keyboard traps in edit fields in FF. Something appears to be wrong
> with some of our scripting.
>
> Mike Moore
> Accessibility Coordinator
> Texas Health and Human Services Commission
> Civil Rights Office
> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
> Of Sailesh Panchang
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:54 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Readonly Field Problem with IE 11 and JAWS 16
>
> I do not experience what you do. Maybe there is a coding problem in your
> page?
> The following code works fine in forms / non-forms mode.
> I tried it with NVDA too.
> <p><label>Account# (implicit label):<input type="text" readonly
> name="accName1" id="accName1" value="2421223259" /></label></p> <p><label
> for="accName2">Account#:</label> <input type="text" readonly name="accName2"
> id="accName2" value="2421223259" /></p>
>
> IE 11.0.960
> JFW 16.0.4463
>
> Regards and best wishes
>
> Sailesh Panchang
>
>
> On 10/23/15, Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
> < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Help!
>>
>> I am testing an application where some fields are presented as
>> readonly. The problem that we are finding is that for the readonly
>> field in IE 11 if you are using reading commands the label is read but
>> the field is skipped, the field does not show up in a form field list
>> either but it is included in the tab ring. When you tab to it the
>> value is not reported and the label is reported as the label of the next
>> field of the form.
>>
>> If I review the page with either FF or Chrome (latest release) then
>> the readonly field is reported correctly by JAWS.
>>
>> This application is in a development environment and I cannot share a
>> URL.
>>
>> Is this a known bug in IE 11?
>>
>> Mike Moore
>> Accessibility Coordinator
>> Texas Health and Human Services Commission Civil Rights Office
>> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
>>
>> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >>
> > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >


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From: Andrew Normand
Date: Sun, Oct 25 2015 5:11PM
Subject: Re: Readonly Field Problem with IE 11 and JAWS 16
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Disabled radio buttons and check boxes, that are selected, are not identified correctly when using NVDA + IE11.

NVDA + FF and NVDA + Chrome read the disabled fields correctly. JAWS also reads them out correctly when using IE11, FF and Chrome.

You can try it for yourself here:
http://www.unimelb.edu.au/accessibility/testing/disabled.html

NVDA developers are aware of the issue: "As if there weren't enough stupid bugs in IE's accessibility implementation, IE doesn't expose the fact that radio buttons or check boxes are checked via accessibility APIs when they are disabled." See: http://community.nvda-project.org/ticket/3674


Andrew Normand  
Web Accessibility Lead
The University of Melbourne
T: +61 3 9035 4867   E:  = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =   
unimelb.edu.au/accessibility



-----Original Message-----
From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Sunday, 25 October 2015 9:42 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Readonly Field Problem with IE 11 and JAWS 16

If, for some reason, you find bugs with the html readonly attribute, you could mark the fields using aria-readonly="true" but that means you have to visually indicate its read-only state, and use Javascript to ensure user cannot type into the field.
Basically a lot of extra work to achieve same functionality.




On 10/23/15, Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> I was leaning toward treating this as a problem on our side. We are
> also getting keyboard traps in edit fields in FF. Something appears to
> be wrong with some of our scripting.
>
> Mike Moore
> Accessibility Coordinator
> Texas Health and Human Services Commission Civil Rights Office
> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of Sailesh Panchang
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:54 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Readonly Field Problem with IE 11 and JAWS 16
>
> I do not experience what you do. Maybe there is a coding problem in
> your page?
> The following code works fine in forms / non-forms mode.
> I tried it with NVDA too.
> <p><label>Account# (implicit label):<input type="text" readonly
> name="accName1" id="accName1" value="2421223259" /></label></p>
> <p><label for="accName2">Account#:</label> <input type="text" readonly name="accName2"
> id="accName2" value="2421223259" /></p>
>
> IE 11.0.960
> JFW 16.0.4463
>
> Regards and best wishes
>
> Sailesh Panchang
>
>
> On 10/23/15, Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
> < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Help!
>>
>> I am testing an application where some fields are presented as
>> readonly. The problem that we are finding is that for the readonly
>> field in IE 11 if you are using reading commands the label is read
>> but the field is skipped, the field does not show up in a form field
>> list either but it is included in the tab ring. When you tab to it
>> the value is not reported and the label is reported as the label of
>> the next field of the form.
>>
>> If I review the page with either FF or Chrome (latest release) then
>> the readonly field is reported correctly by JAWS.
>>
>> This application is in a development environment and I cannot share a
>> URL.
>>
>> Is this a known bug in IE 11?
>>
>> Mike Moore
>> Accessibility Coordinator
>> Texas Health and Human Services Commission Civil Rights Office
>> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
>>
>> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >>
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >


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