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From: England, Kristina
Date: Wed, Nov 30 2016 6:06AM
Subject: Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
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We're working on testing all our Adobe Forms for the employee benefits section of our site from an accessibility standpoint. I'm able to test and confirm them on a Windows computer using NVDA, but when my coworker uses VoiceOver on her Mac laptop using Adobe Acrobat, the form isn't read at all. Has anyone else encountered issues with VoiceOver on a Mac with Adobe Acrobat? If so, were you able to resolve the issues?

From: JP Jamous
Date: Wed, Nov 30 2016 6:46AM
Subject: Re: Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
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Forgive my ignorance in this area but is VO accessible with Adobe Reader for Mac? I never had the need to read a PDF on a Mac before.

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of England, Kristina
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Subject: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver

We're working on testing all our Adobe Forms for the employee benefits section of our site from an accessibility standpoint. I'm able to test and confirm them on a Windows computer using NVDA, but when my coworker uses VoiceOver on her Mac laptop using Adobe Acrobat, the form isn't read at all. Has anyone else encountered issues with VoiceOver on a Mac with Adobe Acrobat? If so, were you able to resolve the issues?

From: England, Kristina
Date: Wed, Nov 30 2016 6:54AM
Subject: Re: Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
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It used to be, but it seems based on some research I found this morning, they are no longer compatible: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1677261. That being said, has anyone else identified this as an issue and perhaps sought out an alternate method?

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of JP Jamous
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver

Forgive my ignorance in this area but is VO accessible with Adobe Reader for Mac? I never had the need to read a PDF on a Mac before.

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of England, Kristina
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:07 AM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver

We're working on testing all our Adobe Forms for the employee benefits section of our site from an accessibility standpoint. I'm able to test and confirm them on a Windows computer using NVDA, but when my coworker uses VoiceOver on her Mac laptop using Adobe Acrobat, the form isn't read at all. Has anyone else encountered issues with VoiceOver on a Mac with Adobe Acrobat? If so, were you able to resolve the issues?

From: Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
Date: Wed, Nov 30 2016 7:28AM
Subject: Re: Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
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The last time I tested this - about 6 months ago I got the following results.

VO + Mac OS + Adobe Reader = Docs fine, Form Filling No
VO + Mac OS + Mac's PDF reader = Nothing
Mac OS + Adobe Reader using Read Out Loud Feature = Poor Performance and No Forms Support
VO + iOS + Adobe Reader = Docs fie, Form Filling No
VO + Mac OS + Mac's PDF reader = Nothing

I did not test any other combination. We were looking for support for forms at the time and found that when using Apple devices that about the only functional option is a native app or html.

Mike Moore
Accessibility Coordinator
Texas Health and Human Services Commission
Civil Rights Office
(512) 438-3431 (Office)

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of England, Kristina
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:55 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver

It used to be, but it seems based on some research I found this morning, they are no longer compatible: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1677261. That being said, has anyone else identified this as an issue and perhaps sought out an alternate method?

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of JP Jamous
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:46 AM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver

Forgive my ignorance in this area but is VO accessible with Adobe Reader for Mac? I never had the need to read a PDF on a Mac before.

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of England, Kristina
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:07 AM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver

We're working on testing all our Adobe Forms for the employee benefits section of our site from an accessibility standpoint. I'm able to test and confirm them on a Windows computer using NVDA, but when my coworker uses VoiceOver on her Mac laptop using Adobe Acrobat, the form isn't read at all. Has anyone else encountered issues with VoiceOver on a Mac with Adobe Acrobat? If so, were you able to resolve the issues?

From: England, Kristina
Date: Wed, Nov 30 2016 7:38AM
Subject: Re: Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
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Thanks, Mike!

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:28 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver

The last time I tested this - about 6 months ago I got the following results.

VO + Mac OS + Adobe Reader = Docs fine, Form Filling No VO + Mac OS + Mac's PDF reader = Nothing Mac OS + Adobe Reader using Read Out Loud Feature = Poor Performance and No Forms Support VO + iOS + Adobe Reader = Docs fie, Form Filling No VO + Mac OS + Mac's PDF reader = Nothing

I did not test any other combination. We were looking for support for forms at the time and found that when using Apple devices that about the only functional option is a native app or html.

Mike Moore
Accessibility Coordinator
Texas Health and Human Services Commission Civil Rights Office
(512) 438-3431 (Office)

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of England, Kristina
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:55 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver

It used to be, but it seems based on some research I found this morning, they are no longer compatible: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1677261. That being said, has anyone else identified this as an issue and perhaps sought out an alternate method?

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of JP Jamous
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:46 AM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver

Forgive my ignorance in this area but is VO accessible with Adobe Reader for Mac? I never had the need to read a PDF on a Mac before.

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of England, Kristina
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:07 AM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver

We're working on testing all our Adobe Forms for the employee benefits section of our site from an accessibility standpoint. I'm able to test and confirm them on a Windows computer using NVDA, but when my coworker uses VoiceOver on her Mac laptop using Adobe Acrobat, the form isn't read at all. Has anyone else encountered issues with VoiceOver on a Mac with Adobe Acrobat? If so, were you able to resolve the issues?

From: Jonathan Cohn
Date: Thu, Dec 01 2016 6:32AM
Subject: Re: Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
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Most of the blind Macintosh users I know that need to fill out forms use the PDF pen application. This application does cost something. There is also the ability to use Apple's preview application to view PDF's. I believe I looked at a couple of IRS forms and was able to complete them using Preview, though that was a few years ago. If there are issues it might be worth while reaching out to the Apple Accessibility desk.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 30, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> The last time I tested this - about 6 months ago I got the following results.
>
> VO + Mac OS + Adobe Reader = Docs fine, Form Filling No
> VO + Mac OS + Mac's PDF reader = Nothing
> Mac OS + Adobe Reader using Read Out Loud Feature = Poor Performance and No Forms Support
> VO + iOS + Adobe Reader = Docs fie, Form Filling No
> VO + Mac OS + Mac's PDF reader = Nothing
>
> I did not test any other combination. We were looking for support for forms at the time and found that when using Apple devices that about the only functional option is a native app or html.
>
> Mike Moore
> Accessibility Coordinator
> Texas Health and Human Services Commission
> Civil Rights Office
> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of England, Kristina
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:55 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
>
> It used to be, but it seems based on some research I found this morning, they are no longer compatible: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1677261. That being said, has anyone else identified this as an issue and perhaps sought out an alternate method?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of JP Jamous
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:46 AM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
>
> Forgive my ignorance in this area but is VO accessible with Adobe Reader for Mac? I never had the need to read a PDF on a Mac before.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of England, Kristina
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:07 AM
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Subject: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
>
> We're working on testing all our Adobe Forms for the employee benefits section of our site from an accessibility standpoint. I'm able to test and confirm them on a Windows computer using NVDA, but when my coworker uses VoiceOver on her Mac laptop using Adobe Acrobat, the form isn't read at all. Has anyone else encountered issues with VoiceOver on a Mac with Adobe Acrobat? If so, were you able to resolve the issues?
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From: Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
Date: Thu, Dec 01 2016 10:38AM
Subject: Re: Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
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Johnathan,

Do you know if PDF pen works with both standard PDF forms and those that are created using live cycle designer?

Mike Moore
Accessibility Coordinator
Texas Health and Human Services Commission
Civil Rights Office
(512) 438-3431 (Office)

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 7:32 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver

Most of the blind Macintosh users I know that need to fill out forms use the PDF pen application. This application does cost something. There is also the ability to use Apple's preview application to view PDF's. I believe I looked at a couple of IRS forms and was able to complete them using Preview, though that was a few years ago. If there are issues it might be worth while reaching out to the Apple Accessibility desk.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 30, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> The last time I tested this - about 6 months ago I got the following results.
>
> VO + Mac OS + Adobe Reader = Docs fine, Form Filling No VO + Mac OS +
> Mac's PDF reader = Nothing Mac OS + Adobe Reader using Read Out Loud
> Feature = Poor Performance and No Forms Support VO + iOS + Adobe
> Reader = Docs fie, Form Filling No VO + Mac OS + Mac's PDF reader > Nothing
>
> I did not test any other combination. We were looking for support for forms at the time and found that when using Apple devices that about the only functional option is a native app or html.
>
> Mike Moore
> Accessibility Coordinator
> Texas Health and Human Services Commission Civil Rights Office
> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of England, Kristina
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:55 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
>
> It used to be, but it seems based on some research I found this morning, they are no longer compatible: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1677261. That being said, has anyone else identified this as an issue and perhaps sought out an alternate method?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of JP Jamous
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:46 AM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
>
> Forgive my ignorance in this area but is VO accessible with Adobe Reader for Mac? I never had the need to read a PDF on a Mac before.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of England, Kristina
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:07 AM
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Subject: [WebAIM] Adobe Forms and VoiceOver
>
> We're working on testing all our Adobe Forms for the employee benefits section of our site from an accessibility standpoint. I'm able to test and confirm them on a Windows computer using NVDA, but when my coworker uses VoiceOver on her Mac laptop using Adobe Acrobat, the form isn't read at all. Has anyone else encountered issues with VoiceOver on a Mac with Adobe Acrobat? If so, were you able to resolve the issues?
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