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From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 7:44AM
Subject: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
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Hello,

How can one make div elements show on the same line without having spaces
for a screen reader?

I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like words
and not spaced out letters.

<div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>

This shows:

T

H

E

To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:

T h e

But that still isn’t:

The



How can I make multiple divs show as one word?

Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

From: Steve Green
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 8:34AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to ascreen reader?
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You need to set the padding and margin on your div element to zero and it will look like a word.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd


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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: 17 January 2018 14:44
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?

Hello,

How can one make div elements show on the same line without having spaces for a screen reader?

I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like words and not spaced out letters.

<div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>

This shows:

T

H

E

To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:

T h e

But that still isn’t:

The



How can I make multiple divs show as one word?

Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

From: Sandy Feldman
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 8:54AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
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hey Keith,

Instead of using multiple divs for the letters to spread them out type
the word normally and use CSS to apply letter-spacing. You can use
either ems or px.

letter-spacing: 0.3em;
letter-spacing: 3px;
letter-spacing: .3px;

I hope that helps!

Sandy



On 2018-01-17 9:44 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
> Hello,
>
> How can one make div elements show on the same line without having spaces
> for a screen reader?
>
> I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like words
> and not spaced out letters.
>
> <div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>
>
> This shows:
>
> T
>
> H
>
> E
>
> To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:
>
> T h e
>
> But that still isn’t:
>
> The
>
>
>
> How can I make multiple divs show as one word?
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > > >

From: Henry, Michael (IntelliDyne)
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 9:50AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
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If I'm reading you correctly, you want each letter in it's own div, displayed inline, but with no added space in between?

If so, then what you're running into is a weird anomaly/bug/irritant in how browsers render inline elements. Namely, extra space is added between them, whether you want it or not.

Margin:0 won't fix it, either.


Read this article for a fix: https://css-tricks.com/fighting-the-space-between-inline-block-elements/


Personally, I prefer the "Set the font size to zero" solution.


Good luck!


Mike



---
Mike S. Henry
Creative Services Lead
IntelliDyne Contract Employee
Supporting Enterprise Infrastructure (formerly Military Health System Cyberinfrastructure Services - MCiS)
Desk: (703) 882-3962

From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of Sandy Feldman < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:54:14 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List; Brandon Keith Biggs
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?

hey Keith,

Instead of using multiple divs for the letters to spread them out type
the word normally and use CSS to apply letter-spacing. You can use
either ems or px.

letter-spacing: 0.3em;
letter-spacing: 3px;
letter-spacing: .3px;

I hope that helps!

Sandy



On 2018-01-17 9:44 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
> Hello,
>
> How can one make div elements show on the same line without having spaces
> for a screen reader?
>
> I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like words
> and not spaced out letters.
>
> <div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>
>
> This shows:
>
> T
>
> H
>
> E
>
> To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:
>
> T h e
>
> But that still isn’t:
>
> The
>
>
>
> How can I make multiple divs show as one word?
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > > >

From: Swift, Daniel P.
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 9:53AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to ascreen reader?
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Do spans produce the same results? I have a couple of hacks in my head ... why are you wrapping the letters in their own elements -- what are you trying to accomplish?

Dan Swift
Senior Web Specialist
Enterprise Services
West Chester University
610.738.0589

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:44 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?

Hello,

How can one make div elements show on the same line without having spaces for a screen reader?

I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like words and not spaced out letters.

<div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>

This shows:

T

H

E

To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:

T h e

But that still isn’t:

The



How can I make multiple divs show as one word?

Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

From: Steve Green
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 9:55AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
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I built a test page with the margin and padding set to zero and there was no space between the letters in any browser.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Henry, Michael (IntelliDyne)
Sent: 17 January 2018 16:50
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >; Brandon Keith Biggs < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?

If I'm reading you correctly, you want each letter in it's own div, displayed inline, but with no added space in between?

If so, then what you're running into is a weird anomaly/bug/irritant in how browsers render inline elements. Namely, extra space is added between them, whether you want it or not.

Margin:0 won't fix it, either.


Read this article for a fix: https://css-tricks.com/fighting-the-space-between-inline-block-elements/


Personally, I prefer the "Set the font size to zero" solution.


Good luck!


Mike



---
Mike S. Henry
Creative Services Lead
IntelliDyne Contract Employee
Supporting Enterprise Infrastructure (formerly Military Health System Cyberinfrastructure Services - MCiS)
Desk: (703) 882-3962

From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of Sandy Feldman < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:54:14 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List; Brandon Keith Biggs
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?

hey Keith,

Instead of using multiple divs for the letters to spread them out type the word normally and use CSS to apply letter-spacing. You can use either ems or px.

letter-spacing: 0.3em;
letter-spacing: 3px;
letter-spacing: .3px;

I hope that helps!

Sandy



On 2018-01-17 9:44 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
> Hello,
>
> How can one make div elements show on the same line without having
> spaces for a screen reader?
>
> I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like
> words and not spaced out letters.
>
> <div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>
>
> This shows:
>
> T
>
> H
>
> E
>
> To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:
>
> T h e
>
> But that still isn’t:
>
> The
>
>
>
> How can I make multiple divs show as one word?
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>

From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 10:31AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
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Hello,
Spans produce:
t h e
and not:
the
Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Swift, Daniel P. < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Do spans produce the same results? I have a couple of hacks in my head
> ... why are you wrapping the letters in their own elements -- what are you
> trying to accomplish?
>
> Dan Swift
> Senior Web Specialist
> Enterprise Services
> West Chester University
> 610.738.0589
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:44 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word to a
> screen reader?
>
> Hello,
>
> How can one make div elements show on the same line without having spaces
> for a screen reader?
>
> I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like words
> and not spaced out letters.
>
> <div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>
>
> This shows:
>
> T
>
> H
>
> E
>
> To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:
>
> T h e
>
> But that still isn’t:
>
> The
>
>
>
> How can I make multiple divs show as one word?
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >

From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 10:38AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
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Hello,
Select all the characters and paste them into a new document. How does it
look? That is what I see.
Here is my code:

<div style="padding: 0;margin: 0;">
t
</div>
<div style="padding: 0;margin: 0;">
h
</div>

Thanks,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:55 AM, Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> wrote:

> I built a test page with the margin and padding set to zero and there was
> no space between the letters in any browser.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of Henry, Michael (IntelliDyne)
> Sent: 17 January 2018 16:50
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >; Brandon Keith
> Biggs < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word
> to a screen reader?
>
> If I'm reading you correctly, you want each letter in it's own div,
> displayed inline, but with no added space in between?
>
> If so, then what you're running into is a weird anomaly/bug/irritant in
> how browsers render inline elements. Namely, extra space is added between
> them, whether you want it or not.
>
> Margin:0 won't fix it, either.
>
>
> Read this article for a fix: https://css-tricks.com/
> fighting-the-space-between-inline-block-elements/
>
>
> Personally, I prefer the "Set the font size to zero" solution.
>
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ---
> Mike S. Henry
> Creative Services Lead
> IntelliDyne Contract Employee
> Supporting Enterprise Infrastructure (formerly Military Health System
> Cyberinfrastructure Services - MCiS)
> Desk: (703) 882-3962
>
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of
> Sandy Feldman < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:54:14 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List; Brandon Keith Biggs
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word
> to a screen reader?
>
> hey Keith,
>
> Instead of using multiple divs for the letters to spread them out type the
> word normally and use CSS to apply letter-spacing. You can use either ems
> or px.
>
> letter-spacing: 0.3em;
> letter-spacing: 3px;
> letter-spacing: .3px;
>
> I hope that helps!
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> On 2018-01-17 9:44 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > How can one make div elements show on the same line without having
> > spaces for a screen reader?
> >
> > I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like
> > words and not spaced out letters.
> >
> > <div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>
> >
> > This shows:
> >
> > T
> >
> > H
> >
> > E
> >
> > To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:
> >
> > T h e
> >
> > But that still isn’t:
> >
> > The
> >
> >
> >
> > How can I make multiple divs show as one word?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > >
> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >

From: Steve Green
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 10:44AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
← Previous message | Next message →

If you put all the divs on the same line, as in your first email, there are no spaces between the letters.

If you put your divs on separate lines, as in your last email, there are spaces.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: 17 January 2018 17:39
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?

Hello,
Select all the characters and paste them into a new document. How does it look? That is what I see.
Here is my code:

<div style="padding: 0;margin: 0;">
t
</div>
<div style="padding: 0;margin: 0;">
h
</div>

Thanks,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:55 AM, Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> wrote:

> I built a test page with the margin and padding set to zero and there
> was no space between the letters in any browser.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of Henry, Michael (IntelliDyne)
> Sent: 17 January 2018 16:50
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >; Brandon
> Keith Biggs < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one
> word to a screen reader?
>
> If I'm reading you correctly, you want each letter in it's own div,
> displayed inline, but with no added space in between?
>
> If so, then what you're running into is a weird anomaly/bug/irritant
> in how browsers render inline elements. Namely, extra space is added
> between them, whether you want it or not.
>
> Margin:0 won't fix it, either.
>
>
> Read this article for a fix: https://css-tricks.com/
> fighting-the-space-between-inline-block-elements/
>
>
> Personally, I prefer the "Set the font size to zero" solution.
>
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ---
> Mike S. Henry
> Creative Services Lead
> IntelliDyne Contract Employee
> Supporting Enterprise Infrastructure (formerly Military Health System
> Cyberinfrastructure Services - MCiS)
> Desk: (703) 882-3962
>
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of
> Sandy Feldman < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:54:14 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List; Brandon Keith Biggs
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one
> word to a screen reader?
>
> hey Keith,
>
> Instead of using multiple divs for the letters to spread them out type
> the word normally and use CSS to apply letter-spacing. You can use
> either ems or px.
>
> letter-spacing: 0.3em;
> letter-spacing: 3px;
> letter-spacing: .3px;
>
> I hope that helps!
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> On 2018-01-17 9:44 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > How can one make div elements show on the same line without having
> > spaces for a screen reader?
> >
> > I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like
> > words and not spaced out letters.
> >
> > <div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>
> >
> > This shows:
> >
> > T
> >
> > H
> >
> > E
> >
> > To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:
> >
> > T h e
> >
> > But that still isn’t:
> >
> > The
> >
> >
> >
> > How can I make multiple divs show as one word?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > >
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >

From: Steve Green
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 10:49AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
← Previous message | Next message →

With the divs on separate lines I applied a margin of -2px and the spaces disappeared. You now have two solutions.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Steve Green
Sent: 17 January 2018 17:45
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?

If you put all the divs on the same line, as in your first email, there are no spaces between the letters.

If you put your divs on separate lines, as in your last email, there are spaces.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: 17 January 2018 17:39
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?

Hello,
Select all the characters and paste them into a new document. How does it look? That is what I see.
Here is my code:

<div style="padding: 0;margin: 0;">
t
</div>
<div style="padding: 0;margin: 0;">
h
</div>

Thanks,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:55 AM, Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> wrote:

> I built a test page with the margin and padding set to zero and there
> was no space between the letters in any browser.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of Henry, Michael (IntelliDyne)
> Sent: 17 January 2018 16:50
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >; Brandon
> Keith Biggs < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one
> word to a screen reader?
>
> If I'm reading you correctly, you want each letter in it's own div,
> displayed inline, but with no added space in between?
>
> If so, then what you're running into is a weird anomaly/bug/irritant
> in how browsers render inline elements. Namely, extra space is added
> between them, whether you want it or not.
>
> Margin:0 won't fix it, either.
>
>
> Read this article for a fix: https://css-tricks.com/
> fighting-the-space-between-inline-block-elements/
>
>
> Personally, I prefer the "Set the font size to zero" solution.
>
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ---
> Mike S. Henry
> Creative Services Lead
> IntelliDyne Contract Employee
> Supporting Enterprise Infrastructure (formerly Military Health System
> Cyberinfrastructure Services - MCiS)
> Desk: (703) 882-3962
>
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of
> Sandy Feldman < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:54:14 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List; Brandon Keith Biggs
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one
> word to a screen reader?
>
> hey Keith,
>
> Instead of using multiple divs for the letters to spread them out type
> the word normally and use CSS to apply letter-spacing. You can use
> either ems or px.
>
> letter-spacing: 0.3em;
> letter-spacing: 3px;
> letter-spacing: .3px;
>
> I hope that helps!
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> On 2018-01-17 9:44 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > How can one make div elements show on the same line without having
> > spaces for a screen reader?
> >
> > I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like
> > words and not spaced out letters.
> >
> > <div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>
> >
> > This shows:
> >
> > T
> >
> > H
> >
> > E
> >
> > To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:
> >
> > T h e
> >
> > But that still isn’t:
> >
> > The
> >
> >
> >
> > How can I make multiple divs show as one word?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > >
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >

From: Mallory
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 10:57AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
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The differences differ between browser when using inline-block: with safari it would go as far as 4px, other browsers fewer, and in Internet Explorer, there is no gap at all.

cheers,
Mallory

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018, at 6:49 PM, Steve Green wrote:
> With the divs on separate lines I applied a margin of -2px and the
> spaces disappeared. You now have two solutions.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of Steve Green
> Sent: 17 January 2018 17:45
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one
> word to a screen reader?
>
> If you put all the divs on the same line, as in your first email, there
> are no spaces between the letters.
>
> If you put your divs on separate lines, as in your last email, there are spaces.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
> Sent: 17 January 2018 17:39
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one
> word to a screen reader?
>
> Hello,
> Select all the characters and paste them into a new document. How does
> it look? That is what I see.
> Here is my code:
>
> <div style="padding: 0;margin: 0;">
> t
> </div>
> <div style="padding: 0;margin: 0;">
> h
> </div>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:55 AM, Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > wrote:
>
> > I built a test page with the margin and padding set to zero and there
> > was no space between the letters in any browser.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> > Behalf Of Henry, Michael (IntelliDyne)
> > Sent: 17 January 2018 16:50
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >; Brandon
> > Keith Biggs < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one
> > word to a screen reader?
> >
> > If I'm reading you correctly, you want each letter in it's own div,
> > displayed inline, but with no added space in between?
> >
> > If so, then what you're running into is a weird anomaly/bug/irritant
> > in how browsers render inline elements. Namely, extra space is added
> > between them, whether you want it or not.
> >
> > Margin:0 won't fix it, either.
> >
> >
> > Read this article for a fix: https://css-tricks.com/
> > fighting-the-space-between-inline-block-elements/
> >
> >
> > Personally, I prefer the "Set the font size to zero" solution.
> >
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
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> > > > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of
> > Sandy Feldman < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:54:14 AM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List; Brandon Keith Biggs
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one
> > word to a screen reader?
> >
> > hey Keith,
> >
> > Instead of using multiple divs for the letters to spread them out type
> > the word normally and use CSS to apply letter-spacing. You can use
> > either ems or px.
> >
> > letter-spacing: 0.3em;
> > letter-spacing: 3px;
> > letter-spacing: .3px;
> >
> > I hope that helps!
> >
> > Sandy
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2018-01-17 9:44 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > How can one make div elements show on the same line without having
> > > spaces for a screen reader?
> > >
> > > I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like
> > > words and not spaced out letters.
> > >
> > > <div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>
> > >
> > > This shows:
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> > > H
> > >
> > > E
> > >
> > > To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:
> > >
> > > T h e
> > >
> > > But that still isn’t:
> > >
> > > The
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How can I make multiple divs show as one word?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > >
> > > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > > > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > >
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > >
> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > >

From: Bim Egan
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 11:43AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
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Hello,

Sandy had the best solution for screen reader output. Use the CSS property
letter-spacing and then type the word into a single div or span and give it
a class that references that rule. If you're using separate div elements so
that each could be a different colour then a hack would need to be used. If
that's the case then just let us know so that we can provide the best
answer.

HTH,
Bim





-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: 17 January 2018 17:32
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word to
a screen reader?

Hello,
Spans produce:
t h e
and not:
the
Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Swift, Daniel P. < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Do spans produce the same results? I have a couple of hacks in my
> head ... why are you wrapping the letters in their own elements --
> what are you trying to accomplish?
>
> Dan Swift
> Senior Web Specialist
> Enterprise Services
> West Chester University
> 610.738.0589
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:44 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word
> to a screen reader?
>
> Hello,
>
> How can one make div elements show on the same line without having
> spaces for a screen reader?
>
> I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like
> words and not spaced out letters.
>
> <div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>
>
> This shows:
>
> T
>
> H
>
> E
>
> To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:
>
> T h e
>
> But that still isn't:
>
> The
>
>
>
> How can I make multiple divs show as one word?
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
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From: Sandy Feldman
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2018 12:49PM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
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Neat thing - you can use CSS to change the colour of the first letter. I
think it may be possible to do this for other letters using JS.

h1::first-letter

http://ineeda.coffee/TESTS/firstletter.html

Sandy


On 2018-01-17 1:43 PM, Bim Egan wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Sandy had the best solution for screen reader output. Use the CSS property
> letter-spacing and then type the word into a single div or span and give it
> a class that references that rule. If you're using separate div elements so
> that each could be a different colour then a hack would need to be used. If
> that's the case then just let us know so that we can provide the best
> answer.
>
> HTH,
> Bim
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
> Of Brandon Keith Biggs
> Sent: 17 January 2018 17:32
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word to
> a screen reader?
>
> Hello,
> Spans produce:
> t h e
> and not:
> the
> Thank you,
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Swift, Daniel P. < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Do spans produce the same results? I have a couple of hacks in my
>> head ... why are you wrapping the letters in their own elements --
>> what are you trying to accomplish?
>>
>> Dan Swift
>> Senior Web Specialist
>> Enterprise Services
>> West Chester University
>> 610.738.0589
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
>> Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:44 AM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word
>> to a screen reader?
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> How can one make div elements show on the same line without having
>> spaces for a screen reader?
>>
>> I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like
>> words and not spaced out letters.
>>
>> <div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>
>>
>> This shows:
>>
>> T
>>
>> H
>>
>> E
>>
>> To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:
>>
>> T h e
>>
>> But that still isn't:
>>
>> The
>>
>>
>>
>> How can I make multiple divs show as one word?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >>
> > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
>
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From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Date: Thu, Jan 18 2018 7:29AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
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Hello,

We have animated letters like in a marquee. That is why each letter needs
to be in its own div.

Would making the marquee invisible to the screen reader with display:none;
then making the same information in normal text invisible to sighted users
by positioning it off the screen be the best approach?

Thank you,



Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Sandy Feldman < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> Neat thing - you can use CSS to change the colour of the first letter. I
> think it may be possible to do this for other letters using JS.
>
> h1::first-letter
>
> http://ineeda.coffee/TESTS/firstletter.html
>
> Sandy
>
>
> On 2018-01-17 1:43 PM, Bim Egan wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Sandy had the best solution for screen reader output. Use the CSS property
>> letter-spacing and then type the word into a single div or span and give
>> it
>> a class that references that rule. If you're using separate div elements
>> so
>> that each could be a different colour then a hack would need to be used.
>> If
>> that's the case then just let us know so that we can provide the best
>> answer.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Bim
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Brandon Keith Biggs
>> Sent: 17 January 2018 17:32
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word
>> to
>> a screen reader?
>>
>> Hello,
>> Spans produce:
>> t h e
>> and not:
>> the
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Swift, Daniel P. < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Do spans produce the same results? I have a couple of hacks in my
>>> head ... why are you wrapping the letters in their own elements --
>>> what are you trying to accomplish?
>>>
>>> Dan Swift
>>> Senior Web Specialist
>>> Enterprise Services
>>> West Chester University
>>> 610.738.0589
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
>>> Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:44 AM
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>>> Subject: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word
>>> to a screen reader?
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> How can one make div elements show on the same line without having
>>> spaces for a screen reader?
>>>
>>> I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like
>>> words and not spaced out letters.
>>>
>>> <div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>
>>>
>>> This shows:
>>>
>>> T
>>>
>>> H
>>>
>>> E
>>>
>>> To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:
>>>
>>> T h e
>>>
>>> But that still isn't:
>>>
>>> The
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How can I make multiple divs show as one word?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>>> >>> >>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>> >>> >>> >>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>> >>>
>>> >> >> at
>> http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >>
>>
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> > > > >

From: Steve Green
Date: Thu, Jan 18 2018 7:32AM
Subject: Re: Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?
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Display:none would make it invisible to everyone - you would need aria-hidden="true" instead.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: 18 January 2018 14:30
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one word to a screen reader?

Hello,

We have animated letters like in a marquee. That is why each letter needs to be in its own div.

Would making the marquee invisible to the screen reader with display:none; then making the same information in normal text invisible to sighted users by positioning it off the screen be the best approach?

Thank you,



Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Sandy Feldman < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> Neat thing - you can use CSS to change the colour of the first letter.
> I think it may be possible to do this for other letters using JS.
>
> h1::first-letter
>
> http://ineeda.coffee/TESTS/firstletter.html
>
> Sandy
>
>
> On 2018-01-17 1:43 PM, Bim Egan wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Sandy had the best solution for screen reader output. Use the CSS
>> property letter-spacing and then type the word into a single div or
>> span and give it a class that references that rule. If you're using
>> separate div elements so that each could be a different colour then a
>> hack would need to be used.
>> If
>> that's the case then just let us know so that we can provide the best
>> answer.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Bim
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
>> Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
>> Sent: 17 January 2018 17:32
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one
>> word to a screen reader?
>>
>> Hello,
>> Spans produce:
>> t h e
>> and not:
>> the
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Swift, Daniel P. < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Do spans produce the same results? I have a couple of hacks in my
>>> head ... why are you wrapping the letters in their own elements --
>>> what are you trying to accomplish?
>>>
>>> Dan Swift
>>> Senior Web Specialist
>>> Enterprise Services
>>> West Chester University
>>> 610.738.0589
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
>>> Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:44 AM
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>>> Subject: [WebAIM] Making characters in their own div show as one
>>> word to a screen reader?
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> How can one make div elements show on the same line without having
>>> spaces for a screen reader?
>>>
>>> I have characters all in their own div and I need them to look like
>>> words and not spaced out letters.
>>>
>>> <div>t</div><div>h</div><div>e</div>
>>>
>>> This shows:
>>>
>>> T
>>>
>>> H
>>>
>>> E
>>>
>>> To a screen reader. Using display: inline makes it a little better with:
>>>
>>> T h e
>>>
>>> But that still isn't:
>>>
>>> The
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How can I make multiple divs show as one word?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>>> >>> >>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>> >>> >>> >>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>> >>>
>>> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >>
>>
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