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From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Date: Thu, Jan 18 2018 10:17AM
Subject: Browser plugin that shows what a screen reader sees?
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Hello,
Is there a browser plugin that will show what a screen reader sees so a non
screen reader user can see how the interface looks to a screen reader?
I'm not sure how a plugin like this would work with tables, but it would be
really great for noticing some of the worst UX mistakes.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

From: Beranek, Nicholas
Date: Thu, Jan 18 2018 10:29AM
Subject: Re: Browser plugin that shows what a screen reader sees?
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Hi Brandon, you may want to check out Fangs for Firefox. I've included a link below. It apparently doesn't work with the latest Firefox (Quantum), but it works with Firefox 56. I tested it and enjoy the output.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/fangs-screen-reader-emulator/

Nick Beranek
Capital One

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Subject: [WebAIM] Browser plugin that shows what a screen reader sees?

Hello,
Is there a browser plugin that will show what a screen reader sees so a non screen reader user can see how the interface looks to a screen reader?
I'm not sure how a plugin like this would work with tables, but it would be really great for noticing some of the worst UX mistakes.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

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From: Tomlins Diane
Date: Thu, Jan 18 2018 10:50AM
Subject: Re: Browser plugin that shows what a screen reader sees?
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There's also an add-on called Claws, (also doesn't work with FF57). Fangs hadn't been update in forever, and even FF56 had disabled it as incompatible, so I switched to Claws. With Claws, you can change the output mode to NVDA, JAWS or Claws itself, which I thought was very handy.

Diane R Tomlins
HCA IT&S | Digital Media
Accessibility SME


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Hi Brandon, you may want to check out Fangs for Firefox. I've included a link below. It apparently doesn't work with the latest Firefox (Quantum), but it works with Firefox 56. I tested it and enjoy the output.



https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__addons.mozilla.org_en-2DUS_firefox_addon_fangs-2Dscreen-2Dreader-2Demulator_&d=DwIGaQ&cŸZnZOgPWmHmvevlab4V4DSjtBMjorSlbQYfK_MauDg&r=XUJIZqLpwbvdWkWIC6JMexv3V64IzMTzZybhWfY7YUk&m=IApDQaJuLhSNgUv33lcs6UI2XvTuoBbSOr_B7CXN5LA&s=kTzpJuUnu8hJxa8cMNvpVl7ZonE9_Ssz7AAkC_kQAs0&e


Nick Beranek

Capital One



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Hello,

Is there a browser plugin that will show what a screen reader sees so a non screen reader user can see how the interface looks to a screen reader?

I'm not sure how a plugin like this would work with tables, but it would be really great for noticing some of the worst UX mistakes.

Thanks,



Brandon Keith Biggs <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__brandonkeithbiggs.com_&d=DwIGaQ&cŸZnZOgPWmHmvevlab4V4DSjtBMjorSlbQYfK_MauDg&r=XUJIZqLpwbvdWkWIC6JMexv3V64IzMTzZybhWfY7YUk&m=IApDQaJuLhSNgUv33lcs6UI2XvTuoBbSOr_B7CXN5LA&s=8rHAtil_hIEhOxkbJ6THOYzII4LoZ0JQKKcUrVS6eMg&e=>




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From: Jonathan Cohn
Date: Fri, Jan 19 2018 7:33AM
Subject: Re: Browser plugin that shows what a screen reader sees?
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There is also the Visual ARIA plugin from Brian which doesn't try to
emulate the screen reader as much as to highlight what the standards say.


On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:51 PM Tomlins Diane <
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> There's also an add-on called Claws, (also doesn't work with FF57). Fangs
> hadn't been update in forever, and even FF56 had disabled it as
> incompatible, so I switched to Claws. With Claws, you can change the output
> mode to NVDA, JAWS or Claws itself, which I thought was very handy.
>
> Diane R Tomlins
> HCA IT&S | Digital Media
> Accessibility SME
>
>
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> Behalf Of Beranek, Nicholas via WebAIM-Forum
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> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: {EXTERNAL} Re: [WebAIM] Browser plugin that shows what a screen
> reader sees?
>
> Hi Brandon, you may want to check out Fangs for Firefox. I've included a
> link below. It apparently doesn't work with the latest Firefox (Quantum),
> but it works with Firefox 56. I tested it and enjoy the output.
>
>
>
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__addons.mozilla.org_en-2DUS_firefox_addon_fangs-2Dscreen-2Dreader-2Demulator_&d=DwIGaQ&cŸZnZOgPWmHmvevlab4V4DSjtBMjorSlbQYfK_MauDg&r=XUJIZqLpwbvdWkWIC6JMexv3V64IzMTzZybhWfY7YUk&m=IApDQaJuLhSNgUv33lcs6UI2XvTuoBbSOr_B7CXN5LA&s=kTzpJuUnu8hJxa8cMNvpVl7ZonE9_Ssz7AAkC_kQAs0&e>
>
>
> Nick Beranek
>
> Capital One
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [WebAIM] Browser plugin that shows what a screen reader sees?
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Is there a browser plugin that will show what a screen reader sees so a
> non screen reader user can see how the interface looks to a screen reader?
>
> I'm not sure how a plugin like this would work with tables, but it would
> be really great for noticing some of the worst UX mistakes.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <
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From: Jennifer Sutton
Date: Fri, Jan 19 2018 10:57AM
Subject: Re: Browser plugin that shows what a screen reader sees?
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Instead of looking for an emulator, which would have a hard time keeping
up with differences between/among screen readers, as they evolve and, we
trust, improve, perhaps the better way to go is to take advantage of the
visual functionality already available in screen readers, especially the
ones that are free.


Here's an article that outlines options and seems pretty up-to-date, as
far as I know:


http://www.maxability.co.in/2017/02/spectator-of-screen-reader-tools-for-you/


Jennifer



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From: mhysnm1964@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Jan 23 2018 6:22PM
Subject: Re: Browser plugin that shows what a screen reader sees?
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VFO have a tool called Jaws Inspect. Targetted towards Jaws users, but something to check out.

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Instead of looking for an emulator, which would have a hard time keeping up with differences between/among screen readers, as they evolve and, we trust, improve, perhaps the better way to go is to take advantage of the visual functionality already available in screen readers, especially the ones that are free.


Here's an article that outlines options and seems pretty up-to-date, as far as I know:


http://www.maxability.co.in/2017/02/spectator-of-screen-reader-tools-for-you/


Jennifer



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From: John Foliot
Date: Wed, Jan 24 2018 8:08AM
Subject: Re: Browser plugin that shows what a screen reader sees?
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Yup, as well, NVDA offers the Speech Viewer (Right-click on the NVDA icon
in the Taskbar, select Tools >> Speech Viewer)

It opens an additional dialog box, and shows you in text what the SR is
'speaking'. When instructing new sighted users on how to use NVDA for
testing, I've found it to be a useful companion to listening to the voice
speak (i.e. Multi-modal input: sight and sound)

Not sure if that is what you are seeking however, as it does not give you
an 'overview' of the page/content ("...so a non
screen reader user can see how the interface looks to a screen reader...");
rather, it simply shows the same text information that would also be piped
to a Braille output bar.

JF

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> VFO have a tool called Jaws Inspect. Targetted towards Jaws users, but
> something to check out.
>
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> Behalf Of Jennifer Sutton
> Sent: Saturday, 20 January 2018 4:57 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser plugin that shows what a screen reader sees?
>
> Instead of looking for an emulator, which would have a hard time keeping
> up with differences between/among screen readers, as they evolve and, we
> trust, improve, perhaps the better way to go is to take advantage of the
> visual functionality already available in screen readers, especially the
> ones that are free.
>
>
> Here's an article that outlines options and seems pretty up-to-date, as
> far as I know:
>
>
> http://www.maxability.co.in/2017/02/spectator-of-screen-
> reader-tools-for-you/
>
>
> Jennifer
>
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