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From: JP Jamous
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2018 10:39AM
Subject: NVDA not announcing the Legend tag
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I have the below markup. JAWS 2018 is reading it with both IE11 and Firefox
52 ESR.

NVDA, on the other hand, is not reading the legend in either browser. I am
using NVDA 2018.3. Is this a bug in NVDA?

<fieldset>

<legend>

Would you like to take our survey?

</legend>

<button>

Yes

</button>

<button>

No

</button>

</fieldset>

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From: Brian Lovely
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2018 10:43AM
Subject: Re: [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend tag
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It doesn't announce at all? What about if you switch out of forms mode? I
wonder if it's not announcing because it contains buttons instead of a
group?

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:39 PM JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> I have the below markup. JAWS 2018 is reading it with both IE11 and Firefox
> 52 ESR.
>
>
>
> NVDA, on the other hand, is not reading the legend in either browser. I am
> using NVDA 2018.3. Is this a bug in NVDA?
>
>
>
> <fieldset>
>
> <legend>
>
> Would you like to take our survey?
>
> </legend>
>
> <button>
>
> Yes
>
> </button>
>
> <button>
>
> No
>
> </button>
>
> </fieldset>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------
>
> JP Jamous
>
> Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
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From: JP Jamous
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2018 10:52AM
Subject: Re: [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend tag
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The only thing I was able to find on the web was a bug in NVDA. If an input
field is used before the buttons, then NVDA goes into forms mode and speaks
the legend. If it is in browse mode, it won't honor it and read the legend.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5291

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3321

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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend tag

It doesn't announce at all? What about if you switch out of forms mode? I
wonder if it's not announcing because it contains buttons instead of a
group?

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:39 PM JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> I have the below markup. JAWS 2018 is reading it with both IE11 and
> Firefox
> 52 ESR.
>
>
>
> NVDA, on the other hand, is not reading the legend in either browser.
> I am using NVDA 2018.3. Is this a bug in NVDA?
>
>
>
> <fieldset>
>
> <legend>
>
> Would you like to take our survey?
>
> </legend>
>
> <button>
>
> Yes
>
> </button>
>
> <button>
>
> No
>
> </button>
>
> </fieldset>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------
>
> JP Jamous
>
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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2018 11:05AM
Subject: Re: [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend tag
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This sounds like the same issue.

NVDA does not read the legend of a fieldset in browse mode.
It only announces the legend if application mode is triggered (e.g.
for radio buttons or dropdowns)

The issue was filed because of a fieldset containing checkboxes, but
the same applies to a fieldset containing only buttons, neither of
these control types trigger NVDA's application mode.
The best you can do is to comment on the issue, I can do the same.
Also trigger a Twitter conversation with the NVDA team to try and put
it higher on their stack of issues. It's been sitting there for 4 or 5
years now.

On 9/28/18, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> The only thing I was able to find on the web was a bug in NVDA. If an input
> field is used before the buttons, then NVDA goes into forms mode and speaks
> the legend. If it is in browse mode, it won't honor it and read the legend.
> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5291
>
> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3321
>
>
>
>
> --------------------
> JP Jamous
> Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
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> Brian
> Lovely via WebAIM-Forum
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 11:44 AM
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Cc: Brian Lovely < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend tag
>
> It doesn't announce at all? What about if you switch out of forms mode? I
> wonder if it's not announcing because it contains buttons instead of a
> group?
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:39 PM JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> I have the below markup. JAWS 2018 is reading it with both IE11 and
>> Firefox
>> 52 ESR.
>>
>>
>>
>> NVDA, on the other hand, is not reading the legend in either browser.
>> I am using NVDA 2018.3. Is this a bug in NVDA?
>>
>>
>>
>> <fieldset>
>>
>> <legend>
>>
>> Would you like to take our survey?
>>
>> </legend>
>>
>> <button>
>>
>> Yes
>>
>> </button>
>>
>> <button>
>>
>> No
>>
>> </button>
>>
>> </fieldset>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------
>>
>> JP Jamous
>>
>> Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
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From: JP Jamous
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2018 1:31PM
Subject: Re: [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend tag
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I agree. It's been 3 years according to my research. They need to do
something about it.

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-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 12:05 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend tag

This sounds like the same issue.

NVDA does not read the legend of a fieldset in browse mode.
It only announces the legend if application mode is triggered (e.g.
for radio buttons or dropdowns)

The issue was filed because of a fieldset containing checkboxes, but the
same applies to a fieldset containing only buttons, neither of these control
types trigger NVDA's application mode.
The best you can do is to comment on the issue, I can do the same.
Also trigger a Twitter conversation with the NVDA team to try and put it
higher on their stack of issues. It's been sitting there for 4 or 5 years
now.

On 9/28/18, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> The only thing I was able to find on the web was a bug in NVDA. If an
> input field is used before the buttons, then NVDA goes into forms mode
> and speaks the legend. If it is in browse mode, it won't honor it and read
the legend.
> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5291
>
> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3321
>
>
>
>
> --------------------
> JP Jamous
> Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
> E-Mail Me |Join My LinkedIn Network
> --------------------
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Brian Lovely via WebAIM-Forum
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 11:44 AM
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Cc: Brian Lovely < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend
> tag
>
> It doesn't announce at all? What about if you switch out of forms
> mode? I wonder if it's not announcing because it contains buttons
> instead of a group?
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:39 PM JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> I have the below markup. JAWS 2018 is reading it with both IE11 and
>> Firefox
>> 52 ESR.
>>
>>
>>
>> NVDA, on the other hand, is not reading the legend in either browser.
>> I am using NVDA 2018.3. Is this a bug in NVDA?
>>
>>
>>
>> <fieldset>
>>
>> <legend>
>>
>> Would you like to take our survey?
>>
>> </legend>
>>
>> <button>
>>
>> Yes
>>
>> </button>
>>
>> <button>
>>
>> No
>>
>> </button>
>>
>> </fieldset>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------
>>
>> JP Jamous
>>
>> Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
>>
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From: Isabel Holdsworth
Date: Mon, Oct 01 2018 7:40AM
Subject: Re: [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend tag
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Hi JP,

As a work-around, would you be able to mark it up as a dialog instead?
JAWS, NVDA and VoiceOver all read dialogs beautifully so long as the
correct ARIA attributes are used.

Cheers, Isabel

On 28/09/2018, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I agree. It's been 3 years according to my research. They need to do
> something about it.
>
>
>
> --------------------
> JP Jamous
> Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
> E-Mail Me |Join My LinkedIn Network
> --------------------
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Birkir R. Gunnarsson
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 12:05 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend tag
>
> This sounds like the same issue.
>
> NVDA does not read the legend of a fieldset in browse mode.
> It only announces the legend if application mode is triggered (e.g.
> for radio buttons or dropdowns)
>
> The issue was filed because of a fieldset containing checkboxes, but the
> same applies to a fieldset containing only buttons, neither of these
> control
> types trigger NVDA's application mode.
> The best you can do is to comment on the issue, I can do the same.
> Also trigger a Twitter conversation with the NVDA team to try and put it
> higher on their stack of issues. It's been sitting there for 4 or 5 years
> now.
>
>
>
> On 9/28/18, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> The only thing I was able to find on the web was a bug in NVDA. If an
>> input field is used before the buttons, then NVDA goes into forms mode
>> and speaks the legend. If it is in browse mode, it won't honor it and
>> read
> the legend.
>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5291
>>
>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3321
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------
>> JP Jamous
>> Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
>> E-Mail Me |Join My LinkedIn Network
>> --------------------
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
>> Brian Lovely via WebAIM-Forum
>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 11:44 AM
>> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> Cc: Brian Lovely < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend
>> tag
>>
>> It doesn't announce at all? What about if you switch out of forms
>> mode? I wonder if it's not announcing because it contains buttons
>> instead of a group?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:39 PM JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>>> I have the below markup. JAWS 2018 is reading it with both IE11 and
>>> Firefox
>>> 52 ESR.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NVDA, on the other hand, is not reading the legend in either browser.
>>> I am using NVDA 2018.3. Is this a bug in NVDA?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <fieldset>
>>>
>>> <legend>
>>>
>>> Would you like to take our survey?
>>>
>>> </legend>
>>>
>>> <button>
>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>> </button>
>>>
>>> <button>
>>>
>>> No
>>>
>>> </button>
>>>
>>> </fieldset>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------
>>>
>>> JP Jamous
>>>
>>> Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
>>>
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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Mon, Oct 01 2018 8:33AM
Subject: Re: [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend tag
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It's a good idea technically but by doing so you would be totally
misrepresenting the look and purpose of the fieldset. It is not an
overlay of items, separate from the page, just a group of related form
controls.
I'm personally a stickler for not drastically recoding web components
because of a screen reader, but I am not always right either. *grin*
One thing you could also do is to put a unique id on the legend and
use ariaÃ¶describedby to point to it, either from all the form controls
or just the first one (enough to give users the context and simulate
the way most screen readers represent grouped controls, reading the
common label when the first control in the group receives focus).

On 10/1/18, Isabel Holdsworth < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi JP,
>
> As a work-around, would you be able to mark it up as a dialog instead?
> JAWS, NVDA and VoiceOver all read dialogs beautifully so long as the
> correct ARIA attributes are used.
>
> Cheers, Isabel
>
> On 28/09/2018, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> I agree. It's been 3 years according to my research. They need to do
>> something about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------
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>> Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
>> E-Mail Me |Join My LinkedIn Network
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
>> Birkir R. Gunnarsson
>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 12:05 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend
>> tag
>>
>> This sounds like the same issue.
>>
>> NVDA does not read the legend of a fieldset in browse mode.
>> It only announces the legend if application mode is triggered (e.g.
>> for radio buttons or dropdowns)
>>
>> The issue was filed because of a fieldset containing checkboxes, but the
>> same applies to a fieldset containing only buttons, neither of these
>> control
>> types trigger NVDA's application mode.
>> The best you can do is to comment on the issue, I can do the same.
>> Also trigger a Twitter conversation with the NVDA team to try and put it
>> higher on their stack of issues. It's been sitting there for 4 or 5 years
>> now.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/18, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>> The only thing I was able to find on the web was a bug in NVDA. If an
>>> input field is used before the buttons, then NVDA goes into forms mode
>>> and speaks the legend. If it is in browse mode, it won't honor it and
>>> read
>> the legend.
>>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5291
>>>
>>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3321
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Cc: Brian Lovely < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend
>>> tag
>>>
>>> It doesn't announce at all? What about if you switch out of forms
>>> mode? I wonder if it's not announcing because it contains buttons
>>> instead of a group?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:39 PM JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have the below markup. JAWS 2018 is reading it with both IE11 and
>>>> Firefox
>>>> 52 ESR.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NVDA, on the other hand, is not reading the legend in either browser.
>>>> I am using NVDA 2018.3. Is this a bug in NVDA?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <fieldset>
>>>>
>>>> <legend>
>>>>
>>>> Would you like to take our survey?
>>>>
>>>> </legend>
>>>>
>>>> <button>
>>>>
>>>> Yes
>>>>
>>>> </button>
>>>>
>>>> <button>
>>>>
>>>> No
>>>>
>>>> </button>
>>>>
>>>> </fieldset>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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From: Graham Armfield
Date: Mon, Oct 01 2018 10:04AM
Subject: Re: [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend tag
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As suggested the other day, I commented on the issue in an NVDA issue on
Github (https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3321). There was a response
from James Teh stating that the issue has already been fixed, but also
asking that if anyone had an example where it wasn't working to please
document. I guess providing a link to a live situation would do.

So if anyone has such an example where NVDA is not announcing the legend
text, perhaps they could mention it in the Github issue.

Regards
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From: Mallory
Date: Tue, Oct 02 2018 12:02PM
Subject: Re: [External Sender] NVDA not announcing the Legend tag
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Ah, we had just run into the checkbox bug. I sent a test case.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Graham Armfield wrote:
> As suggested the other day, I commented on the issue in an NVDA issue on
> Github (https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3321). There was a response
> from James Teh stating that the issue has already been fixed, but also
> asking that if anyone had an example where it wasn't working to please
> document. I guess providing a link to a live situation would do.
>
> So if anyone has such an example where NVDA is not announcing the legend
> text, perhaps they could mention it in the Github issue.
>
> Regards
> Graham Armfield
> coolfields.co.uk <http://www.coolfields.co.uk/>;
> M:07905 590026
> T: 01483 856613
> @coolfields <https://twitter.com/coolfields>
> > > >