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From: Colleen Gratzer, Gratzer Graphics
Date: Thu, Mar 28 2019 3:03PM
Subject: Online ADA plugin?
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I'm curious if anyone here has tried out the Online ADA plugin:

https://adaplugin.com/

It claims to scan and update your entire website for accessibility in
minutes.

If you have used it, did you find that it did a decent job?


Colleen Gratzer
Chief Creative Officer :: Accessibility Specialist
Gratzer Graphics LLC :: https://gratzergraphics.com

Design Domination podcast host

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Thu, Mar 28 2019 4:10PM
Subject: Re: Online ADA plugin?
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Any claims like this are not only inaccurate, they are what I would
describe as bovine
faeces.
There are a bunch of issues that can't be fixed by a plugin:

* How does a plugin know if an image needs an alt text, given that
there are 4 ways to assign a text alternative to an image, does it
even know if it has one?
* How does it know if there is animation on the page or if videos on
the page are captioned?
* How is it going to find keyboard accessibility issues?

I've never heard of the vendor but I would ask any vendor of an
accessibility tool questions such as:

* Do you have people on W3C working groups related to accessibility or
other accessibility expert groups?
* How many of your developers and staff have accessibility credentials
such as IAAP certifications?
* Show example of your work (you can accessibility test the so-called
accessible page to see if it's really accessible).

Ask them how they deal with issues like color contrast, deciding about
alt text, does the tool understand ARiA, does it simulate interactions
like invalid form submission or bringing up a dialog.

I don't know this particular tool and I don't mean disreppect to
whoever I writing it, but those kinds of claims would instantly set
off dozens of alarms for me, if something sounds too good to be true,
it usually is.
See also the recent discussion of accessibility overlays.
Cheers







.

On 3/28/19, Colleen Gratzer, Gratzer Graphics < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I'm curious if anyone here has tried out the Online ADA plugin:
>
> https://adaplugin.com/
>
> It claims to scan and update your entire website for accessibility in
> minutes.
>
> If you have used it, did you find that it did a decent job?
>
>
> Colleen Gratzer
> Chief Creative Officer :: Accessibility Specialist
> Gratzer Graphics LLC :: https://gratzergraphics.com
>
> Design Domination podcast host
> > > > >


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From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Thu, Mar 28 2019 5:47PM
Subject: Re: Online ADA plugin?
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To add to Brikir, it offers a free guide, consisting of:

How to retrofit your existing website for accessibility [RB] Other than
using general guidance, there's no way to offer real advice without seeing
the site.
Your vulnerability to lawsuits [RB] Other than non-specific items, there's
no way this could tell you YOUR vulnerability.
The top 10 WCAG accessibility issues and guideline numbers [RB] What
criteria was used to pick these?
Comments on those issues and guidelines {RB] gives extensive guidance on
each SC, so I would be interested in what they add.
Where to look for these issues on your site [RB[ This is probably assumes
you don't know how to code
What your next steps should be [RB] probably recommends using their tool.
Contact information for further resources

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:10 PM Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Any claims like this are not only inaccurate, they are what I would
> describe as bovine
> faeces.
> There are a bunch of issues that can't be fixed by a plugin:
>
> * How does a plugin know if an image needs an alt text, given that
> there are 4 ways to assign a text alternative to an image, does it
> even know if it has one?
> * How does it know if there is animation on the page or if videos on
> the page are captioned?
> * How is it going to find keyboard accessibility issues?
>
> I've never heard of the vendor but I would ask any vendor of an
> accessibility tool questions such as:
>
> * Do you have people on W3C working groups related to accessibility or
> other accessibility expert groups?
> * How many of your developers and staff have accessibility credentials
> such as IAAP certifications?
> * Show example of your work (you can accessibility test the so-called
> accessible page to see if it's really accessible).
>
> Ask them how they deal with issues like color contrast, deciding about
> alt text, does the tool understand ARiA, does it simulate interactions
> like invalid form submission or bringing up a dialog.
>
> I don't know this particular tool and I don't mean disreppect to
> whoever I writing it, but those kinds of claims would instantly set
> off dozens of alarms for me, if something sounds too good to be true,
> it usually is.
> See also the recent discussion of accessibility overlays.
> Cheers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
> On 3/28/19, Colleen Gratzer, Gratzer Graphics < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> > I'm curious if anyone here has tried out the Online ADA plugin:
> >
> > https://adaplugin.com/
> >
> > It claims to scan and update your entire website for accessibility in
> > minutes.
> >
> > If you have used it, did you find that it did a decent job?
> >
> >
> > Colleen Gratzer
> > Chief Creative Officer :: Accessibility Specialist
> > Gratzer Graphics LLC :: https://gratzergraphics.com
> >
> > Design Domination podcast host
> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
> --
> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
> > > > >

From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Thu, Mar 28 2019 5:52PM
Subject: Re: Online ADA plugin?
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On 28/03/2019 21:03, Colleen Gratzer, Gratzer Graphics wrote:
> I'm curious if anyone here has tried out the Online ADA plugin:
>
> https://adaplugin.com/

There's a lot of snake oil dripping from that site. So glad to see
they're an IAAP member as well...

P
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From: Maxability
Date: Fri, Mar 29 2019 9:03AM
Subject: Re: Online ADA plugin?
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I second with Birkir and others. I am frequently started hearing from
organizations that their tools can find 100% accessibility issues,
better than X tool or something like this.

Though AI, ML and DL are making lot of inputs to accurately find a11y
issues for some tools some defects cannot be tested or fixed by tools.
The second and I believe most important is the people on the team
developing it. People interpret WCAG in different ways, only a healthy
technical discussion will give the best output to decide what is right
and what is wrong. Sometimes teams cannot come to conclusion with
internal debates and mailing groups and outside resources help a lot.

Having memberships on organizations such as IAAP, contributing to WGs
and often giving their 2 cents on mailing groups make a lot of difference.


Rakesh

On 3/29/2019 5:22 AM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
> On 28/03/2019 21:03, Colleen Gratzer, Gratzer Graphics wrote:
>> I'm curious if anyone here has tried out the Online ADA plugin:
>>
>> https://adaplugin.com/
>
> There's a lot of snake oil dripping from that site. So glad to see
> they're an IAAP member as well...
>
> P

From: Colleen Gratzer, Gratzer Graphics
Date: Fri, Mar 29 2019 10:22AM
Subject: Re: Online ADA plugin?
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Happy Friday!

Thanks for the comments on this. All great points.

FWIW, i definitely wasn't implying that anyone should use it, but was
just curious if anyone had. :)


Colleen Gratzer
Chief Creative Officer :: Accessibility Specialist
Gratzer Graphics LLC :: https://gratzergraphics.com

Design Domination podcast host