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From: Kelly Childs
Date: Thu, Apr 11 2019 12:21PM
Subject: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 169, Issue 10
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Another option to "find" your disappearing text without going into the
content panel would be to arrange it in the Edit panel. Simply select the
box around the missing text > right-click > Arrange > Bring to Front. You
should then be able to return to the accessibility panel and select it to
tag as needed. I will usually instruct this way first since I always
strongly discourage going into the content panel.

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> 1. Tagging issues with Acrobat Pro DC (Sean Keegan)
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> 3. Re: Tagging issues with Acrobat Pro DC (Karlen Communications)
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> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 20:05:29 -0700
> Subject: [WebAIM] Tagging issues with Acrobat Pro DC
> Hi - I just conducted an accessible PDF remediation workshop and
> encountered numerous issues with the latest version of Acrobat Pro DC.
> Specifically, the issues included:
> 1) When zoning text or images (or running the Make Accessible Wizard or
> Autotagging the PDF), content would disappear or drop behind other
> elements.
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> 2) If some text content were set as Background mistakenly, it was not
> possible re-zone that text content and mark it as text (or heading) in the
> Reading Order panel; that is, no tag was created.
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> I have had all these issues before, but I have not had these issues
> recently with previous versions of Acrobat Pro (or even earlier versions of
> Acrobat Pro DC). Trying to remediate the same PDFs using Acrobat XI worked
> just fine, but the latest Pro DC seems to be causing problems.
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> Anyone else having issues similar to these?
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> Also - I've never gotten a decent workaround to the disappearing text
> issue. Open to ideas.
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> thanks,
> sean
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> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 01:32:17 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Tagging issues with Acrobat Pro DC
> Yes, we too have noticed unexpected results from all of Adobe's products:
> - PDF Maker plug-in for Word/Office
> - Acrobat itself
> - PDF Export utility in InDesign
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> Every time I teach an accessibility class, I don't know if I'll get the
> same
> results as I did the day before the class. And the changes are usually
> accessibility tag errors, not improvements.
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> If you're on the DC subscription (Adobe calls it "continuous release")
> you're getting micro updates quite frequently. See the release notes here:
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> https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/release-note/release-notes-acrobat-reader.ht
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> More details of the latest release are here:
> https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/using/whats-new.html But nothing is
> mentioned about accessibility issues or features.
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From: chagnon
Date: Thu, Apr 11 2019 1:05PM
Subject: Re: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 169, Issue 10
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Caution when using Acrobat's Edit panel.

It's been a long-known bug that when you edit any of the content with that panel's and the PDF has already been tagged, there's a sizable risk that the document's structure will be trashed somewhere in the PDF. Items like lists become mis-tagged as one <L> without any <LI> tags. Tags for tables become scrambled. 2 text <P> tags are merged into one. Footnote tags are lost. Crazy stuff like that.

And it doesn't usually happen at the point where you're editing. You could make the edit on page 1 and the tags on page 100 will happen corrupted.

This has been known by Adobe for a long time. Very long time.

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From: Karlen Communications
Date: Thu, Apr 11 2019 1:40PM
Subject: Re: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 169, Issue 10
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The other problem I've found with the Edit PDF tool is that it has no boundaries and as long as you keep typing, it will keep adding text, even if the text goes off the page and into outer space.

Cheers, Karen