E-mail List Archives

Search E-mail List Archives for

Number of posts in this thread: 6 (In chronological order)

From: Miriam Fukushima
Date: Tue, Jul 16 2019 7:05AM
Subject: JAWS aria-describedby
No previous message | Next message →

Hello everyone,


has anyone come across a similar behavior of JAWS 2019?

I have the following HTML markup:

A fieldset with a legend, some inputs and a paragraph.

The legend contains the name of the fieldset.

The legend further has the attribute aria-describedby and the ID of the
paragraph that contains additional information about the fieldset.


JAWS does not read the value of the aria attribute in either Chrome or
Firefox.

Is aria-describedby not supposed to be used on HTML-legend-tags?


Thanks in advance for the clarification.


Kind regards,

Miriam

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Tue, Jul 16 2019 7:13AM
Subject: Re: JAWS aria-describedby
← Previous message | Next message →

Hi
No, you need to use the aria-describedby on the <fieldset> tag
directly, not on the <legend> tag.
Keep in mind that group labels work a bit differently in different
screen readers, the group label/aria-describedby is typically only
announced when the user enters the group (e.g. tabs into the first
control in the group), they are seldom, if ever, announced in browse
mode.


On 7/16/19, Miriam Fukushima < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> has anyone come across a similar behavior of JAWS 2019?
>
> I have the following HTML markup:
>
> A fieldset with a legend, some inputs and a paragraph.
>
> The legend contains the name of the fieldset.
>
> The legend further has the attribute aria-describedby and the ID of the
> paragraph that contains additional information about the fieldset.
>
>
> JAWS does not read the value of the aria attribute in either Chrome or
> Firefox.
>
> Is aria-describedby not supposed to be used on HTML-legend-tags?
>
>
> Thanks in advance for the clarification.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Miriam
>
> > > > >


--
Work hard. Have fun. Make history.

From: Miriam Fukushima
Date: Tue, Jul 16 2019 7:29AM
Subject: Re: JAWS aria-describedby
← Previous message | Next message →

Hi,

> Hi
> No, you need to use the aria-describedby on the <fieldset> tag
> directly, not on the <legend> tag.
> Keep in mind that group labels work a bit differently in different
> screen readers, the group label/aria-describedby is typically only
> announced when the user enters the group (e.g. tabs into the first
> control in the group), they are seldom, if ever, announced in browse
> mode.
I have tried that as well, but JAWS still only reads the value of the
legend but not of aria-describedby.

It only works when I insert an extra paragraph with the value of the
legend and then give the legend an aria-labelledby with the value of the
IDs of both paragraphs.

But then it is a concatenated label and not split into label of the
fieldset and additional information of the fieldset.

KR Miriam

On 16.07.2019 15:13, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
> Hi
> No, you need to use the aria-describedby on the <fieldset> tag
> directly, not on the <legend> tag.
> Keep in mind that group labels work a bit differently in different
> screen readers, the group label/aria-describedby is typically only
> announced when the user enters the group (e.g. tabs into the first
> control in the group), they are seldom, if ever, announced in browse
> mode.
>
>
> On 7/16/19, Miriam Fukushima < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>
>> has anyone come across a similar behavior of JAWS 2019?
>>
>> I have the following HTML markup:
>>
>> A fieldset with a legend, some inputs and a paragraph.
>>
>> The legend contains the name of the fieldset.
>>
>> The legend further has the attribute aria-describedby and the ID of the
>> paragraph that contains additional information about the fieldset.
>>
>>
>> JAWS does not read the value of the aria attribute in either Chrome or
>> Firefox.
>>
>> Is aria-describedby not supposed to be used on HTML-legend-tags?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the clarification.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Miriam
>>
>> >> >> >> >>
>
--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Miriam Fukushima
- Online Entwicklung -

---------------------------------------------------
GLAMUS
Gesellschaft für moderne Kommunikation mbH
Gartenstr. 24, 53229 Bonn
http://www.glamus.de/ mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Tel: +49 228 97617-75 Fax: +49 228 97617-55

HRB: Bonn 6287
Geschäftsführer: Ulrich Santo - Gerhard Loosch
---------------------------------------------------

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Tue, Jul 16 2019 7:42AM
Subject: Re: JAWS aria-describedby
← Previous message | Next message →

That should be reported as a Jaws bug.
It used to work.
<fieldset aria-describedby="foo">
<legend>What's your name</legend>
<p id="foo">First and last please</p>
<label>
<span>First name</span>
<input type="text">
</label>
<label>
<span>Last name</span>
<input type="text">
</label>
</fieldset>
When you tab into this fieldset (focus goes on "first name" Jaws
should read "What's your name, first and last please", first name
edit.
(maybe it would read the "first name edit" before the group label).
Does anything change when you add role="group" to the fieldset (or
role="radiogroup" if it's just radio buttons)?
Thanks



On 7/16/19, Miriam Fukushima < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Hi
>> No, you need to use the aria-describedby on the <fieldset> tag
>> directly, not on the <legend> tag.
>> Keep in mind that group labels work a bit differently in different
>> screen readers, the group label/aria-describedby is typically only
>> announced when the user enters the group (e.g. tabs into the first
>> control in the group), they are seldom, if ever, announced in browse
>> mode.
> I have tried that as well, but JAWS still only reads the value of the
> legend but not of aria-describedby.
>
> It only works when I insert an extra paragraph with the value of the
> legend and then give the legend an aria-labelledby with the value of the
> IDs of both paragraphs.
>
> But then it is a concatenated label and not split into label of the
> fieldset and additional information of the fieldset.
>
> KR Miriam
>
> On 16.07.2019 15:13, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
>> Hi
>> No, you need to use the aria-describedby on the <fieldset> tag
>> directly, not on the <legend> tag.
>> Keep in mind that group labels work a bit differently in different
>> screen readers, the group label/aria-describedby is typically only
>> announced when the user enters the group (e.g. tabs into the first
>> control in the group), they are seldom, if ever, announced in browse
>> mode.
>>
>>
>> On 7/16/19, Miriam Fukushima < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>> has anyone come across a similar behavior of JAWS 2019?
>>>
>>> I have the following HTML markup:
>>>
>>> A fieldset with a legend, some inputs and a paragraph.
>>>
>>> The legend contains the name of the fieldset.
>>>
>>> The legend further has the attribute aria-describedby and the ID of the
>>> paragraph that contains additional information about the fieldset.
>>>
>>>
>>> JAWS does not read the value of the aria attribute in either Chrome or
>>> Firefox.
>>>
>>> Is aria-describedby not supposed to be used on HTML-legend-tags?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for the clarification.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
>>
> --
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>
> Miriam Fukushima
> - Online Entwicklung -
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> GLAMUS
> Gesellschaft für moderne Kommunikation mbH
> Gartenstr. 24, 53229 Bonn
> http://www.glamus.de/ mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Tel: +49 228 97617-75 Fax: +49 228 97617-55
>
> HRB: Bonn 6287
> Geschäftsführer: Ulrich Santo - Gerhard Loosch
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > > > >


--
Work hard. Have fun. Make history.

From: Miriam Fukushima
Date: Tue, Jul 16 2019 8:18AM
Subject: Re: JAWS aria-describedby
← Previous message | Next message →

It works with your example, so maybe I have to look into how the focus
is set. I changed JAWS' signal tone for forms mode, so I can hear it
properly and JAWS doesn't seem to change into forms mode properly. So I
assume this is rather a problem on how focus is set in this application.
But this is a much clearer starting point for debugging.

Thank you very much for the help.

KR Miriam

On 16.07.2019 15:42, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
> That should be reported as a Jaws bug.
> It used to work.
> <fieldset aria-describedby="foo">
> <legend>What's your name</legend>
> <p id="foo">First and last please</p>
> <label>
> <span>First name</span>
> <input type="text">
> </label>
> <label>
> <span>Last name</span>
> <input type="text">
> </label>
> </fieldset>
> When you tab into this fieldset (focus goes on "first name" Jaws
> should read "What's your name, first and last please", first name
> edit.
> (maybe it would read the "first name edit" before the group label).
> Does anything change when you add role="group" to the fieldset (or
> role="radiogroup" if it's just radio buttons)?
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On 7/16/19, Miriam Fukushima < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>> Hi
>>> No, you need to use the aria-describedby on the <fieldset> tag
>>> directly, not on the <legend> tag.
>>> Keep in mind that group labels work a bit differently in different
>>> screen readers, the group label/aria-describedby is typically only
>>> announced when the user enters the group (e.g. tabs into the first
>>> control in the group), they are seldom, if ever, announced in browse
>>> mode.
>> I have tried that as well, but JAWS still only reads the value of the
>> legend but not of aria-describedby.
>>
>> It only works when I insert an extra paragraph with the value of the
>> legend and then give the legend an aria-labelledby with the value of the
>> IDs of both paragraphs.
>>
>> But then it is a concatenated label and not split into label of the
>> fieldset and additional information of the fieldset.
>>
>> KR Miriam
>>
>> On 16.07.2019 15:13, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> No, you need to use the aria-describedby on the <fieldset> tag
>>> directly, not on the <legend> tag.
>>> Keep in mind that group labels work a bit differently in different
>>> screen readers, the group label/aria-describedby is typically only
>>> announced when the user enters the group (e.g. tabs into the first
>>> control in the group), they are seldom, if ever, announced in browse
>>> mode.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/16/19, Miriam Fukushima < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> has anyone come across a similar behavior of JAWS 2019?
>>>>
>>>> I have the following HTML markup:
>>>>
>>>> A fieldset with a legend, some inputs and a paragraph.
>>>>
>>>> The legend contains the name of the fieldset.
>>>>
>>>> The legend further has the attribute aria-describedby and the ID of the
>>>> paragraph that contains additional information about the fieldset.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JAWS does not read the value of the aria attribute in either Chrome or
>>>> Firefox.
>>>>
>>>> Is aria-describedby not supposed to be used on HTML-legend-tags?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for the clarification.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Miriam
>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> --
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>>
>> Miriam Fukushima
>> - Online Entwicklung -
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> GLAMUS
>> Gesellschaft für moderne Kommunikation mbH
>> Gartenstr. 24, 53229 Bonn
>> http://www.glamus.de/ mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> Tel: +49 228 97617-75 Fax: +49 228 97617-55
>>
>> HRB: Bonn 6287
>> Geschäftsführer: Ulrich Santo - Gerhard Loosch
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> >> >> >> >>
>
--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Miriam Fukushima
- Online Entwicklung -

---------------------------------------------------
GLAMUS
Gesellschaft für moderne Kommunikation mbH
Gartenstr. 24, 53229 Bonn
http://www.glamus.de/ mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Tel: +49 228 97617-75 Fax: +49 228 97617-55

HRB: Bonn 6287
Geschäftsführer: Ulrich Santo - Gerhard Loosch
---------------------------------------------------

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Tue, Jul 16 2019 9:08AM
Subject: Re: JAWS aria-describedby
← Previous message | No next message

You're welcome.

On 7/16/19, Miriam Fukushima < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> It works with your example, so maybe I have to look into how the focus
> is set. I changed JAWS' signal tone for forms mode, so I can hear it
> properly and JAWS doesn't seem to change into forms mode properly. So I
> assume this is rather a problem on how focus is set in this application.
> But this is a much clearer starting point for debugging.
>
> Thank you very much for the help.
>
> KR Miriam
>
> On 16.07.2019 15:42, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
>> That should be reported as a Jaws bug.
>> It used to work.
>> <fieldset aria-describedby="foo">
>> <legend>What's your name</legend>
>> <p id="foo">First and last please</p>
>> <label>
>> <span>First name</span>
>> <input type="text">
>> </label>
>> <label>
>> <span>Last name</span>
>> <input type="text">
>> </label>
>> </fieldset>
>> When you tab into this fieldset (focus goes on "first name" Jaws
>> should read "What's your name, first and last please", first name
>> edit.
>> (maybe it would read the "first name edit" before the group label).
>> Does anything change when you add role="group" to the fieldset (or
>> role="radiogroup" if it's just radio buttons)?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/16/19, Miriam Fukushima < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>> No, you need to use the aria-describedby on the <fieldset> tag
>>>> directly, not on the <legend> tag.
>>>> Keep in mind that group labels work a bit differently in different
>>>> screen readers, the group label/aria-describedby is typically only
>>>> announced when the user enters the group (e.g. tabs into the first
>>>> control in the group), they are seldom, if ever, announced in browse
>>>> mode.
>>> I have tried that as well, but JAWS still only reads the value of the
>>> legend but not of aria-describedby.
>>>
>>> It only works when I insert an extra paragraph with the value of the
>>> legend and then give the legend an aria-labelledby with the value of the
>>> IDs of both paragraphs.
>>>
>>> But then it is a concatenated label and not split into label of the
>>> fieldset and additional information of the fieldset.
>>>
>>> KR Miriam
>>>
>>> On 16.07.2019 15:13, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>> No, you need to use the aria-describedby on the <fieldset> tag
>>>> directly, not on the <legend> tag.
>>>> Keep in mind that group labels work a bit differently in different
>>>> screen readers, the group label/aria-describedby is typically only
>>>> announced when the user enters the group (e.g. tabs into the first
>>>> control in the group), they are seldom, if ever, announced in browse
>>>> mode.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/16/19, Miriam Fukushima < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> has anyone come across a similar behavior of JAWS 2019?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the following HTML markup:
>>>>>
>>>>> A fieldset with a legend, some inputs and a paragraph.
>>>>>
>>>>> The legend contains the name of the fieldset.
>>>>>
>>>>> The legend further has the attribute aria-describedby and the ID of the
>>>>> paragraph that contains additional information about the fieldset.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> JAWS does not read the value of the aria attribute in either Chrome or
>>>>> Firefox.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is aria-describedby not supposed to be used on HTML-legend-tags?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for the clarification.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
>>> --
>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>>>
>>> Miriam Fukushima
>>> - Online Entwicklung -
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> GLAMUS
>>> Gesellschaft für moderne Kommunikation mbH
>>> Gartenstr. 24, 53229 Bonn
>>> http://www.glamus.de/ mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>> Tel: +49 228 97617-75 Fax: +49 228 97617-55
>>>
>>> HRB: Bonn 6287
>>> Geschäftsführer: Ulrich Santo - Gerhard Loosch
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
>>
> --
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>
> Miriam Fukushima
> - Online Entwicklung -
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> GLAMUS
> Gesellschaft für moderne Kommunikation mbH
> Gartenstr. 24, 53229 Bonn
> http://www.glamus.de/ mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Tel: +49 228 97617-75 Fax: +49 228 97617-55
>
> HRB: Bonn 6287
> Geschäftsführer: Ulrich Santo - Gerhard Loosch
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > > > >


--
Work hard. Have fun. Make history.