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From: Amelia Dickerson
Date: Sun, Sep 22 2019 9:46PM
Subject: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 174, Issue 19
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I just thought we could plan it around your schedule if you were
interested. :)

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> 1. Re: Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an effect?
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> 2. Re: need a code example of a keyboard trap (Don Raikes)
> 3. Re: Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an effect?
> (Bim Egan)
> 4. Re: Browser and Screen Reader Combination (Philip Kiff)
> 5. Re: Browser and Screen Reader Combination (Philip Kiff)
> 6. Re: Browser and Screen Reader Combination (David Engebretson Jr.)
> 7. Re: Browser and Screen Reader Combination (glen walker)
> 8. Re: Browser and Screen Reader Combination (Jared Smith)
> 9. Re: Browser and Screen Reader Combination (Glen Walker)
> 10. Re: Browser and Screen Reader Combination (Philip Kiff)
> 11. Re: Browser and Screen Reader Combination (Philip Kiff)
> 12. Re: Browser and Screen Reader Combination (Philip Kiff)
> 13. Re: Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an effect?
> (Steve Green)
> 14. Re: Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an effect?
> (Birkir R. Gunnarsson)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 18:03:17 +0000
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an
> effect?
> There are any number of reasons why the sub menu links can't be reached,
> but I would not expect aria-controls to be one of them. We would need to
> see the code to figure it out - can you share the URL? We spend a lot of
> time trying to understand the increasingly crazy code that we're presented
> with these days, but there's always an answer.
>
> Steve Green
> Managing Director
> Test Partners Ltd
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Bim Egan
> Sent: 20 September 2019 12:33
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: [WebAIM] Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an effect?
>
> Good afternoon all,
>
> I'm testing a mega menu that doesn't appear to be working properly, and I
> can't figure out why.
>
> The large screen view has a horizontal menu that is working, but when it
> gets to small screen and the hamburger menu button appears, the sub menu
> links can't be reached.
>
> The menu button has an aria-controls attribute that matches the sub-menu
> id, but when the menu button is activated, there's more revealed than just
> the sub-menu. The devs have inserted a search field and button between the
> (now
> "close") button and the sub-menu. My expectation was to move from the
> search button to the first sub-menu item, but instead it moves into main
> content.
>
> HeydonWorks article seems to suggest that aria-controls could cause some
> problems in this situation, but he doesn't go into detail.
> https://www.heydonworks.com/article/aria-controls-is-poop
>
> So can anyone tell me if the problem will be solved if the devs move the
> mobile version search out of the dropdown or what can be done to bring the
> mobile sub-menu into the tab order?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Bim
>
>
>
>
> -------------
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> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 11:06:41 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] need a code example of a keyboard trap
> Thanks for the example I will see about including it in my demo.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:18 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] need a code example of a keyboard trap
>
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__whenpush.a11yideas.com_&d=DwICAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=ocIr_3zL7SplzIE3G3RHOjicX0Z5MpyxpB1croiQkwc&s=J6IwFr3oIIFvKhJH1MjPpeg0G1OeteUgzcs4mIaOfsw&e> (if you open the welcome message you can't swipe or click yor way out of
> it with Voiceover running).
> I created this presentation with a friend and old colleague back in
> 2016 and it's all about making accessible auto complete search widget.
> You can get past the welcome message to the example using this URL:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__whenpush.a11yideas.com_intro.html&d=DwICAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=RSYNyNFr7Oj1BRE0qW_8pVA2z0qhUeWtOTBuXmZp9uE&m=ocIr_3zL7SplzIE3G3RHOjicX0Z5MpyxpB1croiQkwc&s=uzRIZKHuJQokjbEotw9C7nKTGQhhgB6q24--LqIQ_p0&e>
>
>
>
> On 9/19/19, Don Raikes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am preparing a demo of using VoiceOver to test the accessibility of a
> web
> > application, and one of the things I want to demonstrate is what a
> "keyboard
> > trap" lookslike for someone using VoiceOver and runs into a "flick trap".
> >
> >
> >
> > If anyone has seen such a situation and can forward either the website or
> > the code I would greatly appreciate it.
> >
> >
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Donald
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks, Donald
> >
> > "As a leader, to be successful, is to help the people around you to be
> > successful." - Kent Boucher
> >
> >
> >
> > Accessibility, like security, is better when built-in from the beginning
> > rather than bolted on at the end.
> >
> >
> > http://www.oracle.com/
> > Donald Raikes | Accessibility Specialist
> > Mobile: HYPERLINK "tel:+15202717608"+15202717608 | VOIP: HYPERLINK
> > "tel:+15205744033"+15205744033
> > Oracle Accessibility Program Office
> > | Tucson, Arizona
> >
> > http://www.oracle.com/commitment
> >
> > Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help
> protect
> > the environment
> >
> >
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bim Egan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 19:47:32 +0100
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an
> effect?
> Hi Steve,
> Sorry it's a test environment I've had to be white listed. I could redact
> the code let you see the HTML for that part of the page, but at doesn't
> actually help much if JavaScript is doing the damage.
> Like you I've seen some very odd mark up, but this one has me Foxed.
>
> Bim
>
> > On 20 Sep 2019, at 19:03, Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >
> > There are any number of reasons why the sub menu links can't be reached,
> but I would not expect aria-controls to be one of them. We would need to
> see the code to figure it out - can you share the URL? We spend a lot of
> time trying to understand the increasingly crazy code that we're presented
> with these days, but there's always an answer.
> >
> > Steve Green
> > Managing Director
> > Test Partners Ltd
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Bim Egan
> > Sent: 20 September 2019 12:33
> > To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Subject: [WebAIM] Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an
> effect?
> >
> > Good afternoon all,
> >
> > I'm testing a mega menu that doesn't appear to be working properly, and
> I can't figure out why.
> >
> > The large screen view has a horizontal menu that is working, but when
> it gets to small screen and the hamburger menu button appears, the sub menu
> links can't be reached.
> >
> > The menu button has an aria-controls attribute that matches the sub-menu
> id, but when the menu button is activated, there's more revealed than just
> the sub-menu. The devs have inserted a search field and button between the
> (now
> > "close") button and the sub-menu. My expectation was to move from the
> search button to the first sub-menu item, but instead it moves into main
> content.
> >
> > HeydonWorks article seems to suggest that aria-controls could cause some
> problems in this situation, but he doesn't go into detail.
> > https://www.heydonworks.com/article/aria-controls-is-poop
> >
> > So can anyone tell me if the problem will be solved if the devs move the
> mobile version search out of the dropdown or what can be done to bring the
> mobile sub-menu into the tab order?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Bim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------
> > Bim Egan
> > Skype phone: 01223 96 87 96
> > Personal Email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > Skype ID: bim.accessequals
> >
> > Coordinator: Describe Online
> > W: www.describe-online.com
> > E: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > ----------------------------------------
> > Partner: AccessEquals
> > W: www.accessequals.com
> > E: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >
> > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > > > >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Philip Kiff < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 16:18:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> I guess the point I was trying to make is that there is no "best"
> combination of a single specific browser with a single screen reader
> that is "best" for testing accessibility.
>
> I'm not a specialist in the advantages and disadvantages of the many,
> many different testing configurations available, but based on what
> you've explained so far, I would recommend thinking of which screen
> readers you are going to test with first. Then, you can decide if it
> even matters which browsers you are using.
>
> If you are going to use multiple browser and screen reader combinations,
> then I would suggest that one of the screen readers should be JAWS. That
> is the most widely used screen reader, and if your site is not usable in
> JAWS then that will be a problem.
>
> Phil.
>
> On 2019-09-20 13:44, Praunicorn wrote:
> > Hi Philip Kiff,
> >
> > Thank you for your information , but I am not able see the information
> for Chrome & Edge browsers in the reply chain.
> >
> > Chrome & Edge :
> >
> > 1. I am using the following combination "Chrome with NVDA" because In
> NVDA website they mentioned that they are supporting chrome along with the
> FF.
> >
> > 2. And also I have doubt, among IE and Edge which one is the best for
> Accessibility testing and what is screen reader combination for this.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sreekar
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > From: Philip Kiff
> > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:42 PM
> > To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> >
> > Hi Sreekar,
> >
> > The WebAIM list has a search function you can use to see if topics have
> > been covered before:
> > https://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
> > There have been many discussions about the best combinations of screen
> > readers and browsers, for e.g.:
> > Thread: Screen Reader Version & Browser Version Combination Matrix
> > https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread†98
> >
> > The best combination depends on several factors - including especially
> > your target audience and what capacity you have for testing. Maybe your
> > combination is right for you.
> >
> > Lots of folks seem to test with two or three of the following
> combinations:
> > JAWS/Internet Explorer
> > NVDA/Firefox
> > Voiceover/Safari
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > On 2019-09-20 12:52, Praunicorn wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Kindly help me with Browser and Screen Reader combination. I am using
> below mentioned combinations for my testing. Please let me know I am in
> right combination or not.
> >>
> >> 1. Chrome With NVDA
> >> 2. Edge With Narrator
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Sreekar.
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Philip Kiff < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 16:33:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> Oh, and WebAIM does an excellent annual survey of screen reader users
> and they publish the results, including a table showing the most popular
> combinations of browsers and screen readers:
> https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/#browsercombos
>
> On 2019-09-20 16:18, Philip Kiff wrote:
> > I guess the point I was trying to make is that there is no "best"
> > combination of a single specific browser with a single screen reader
> > that is "best" for testing accessibility.
> >
> > I'm not a specialist in the advantages and disadvantages of the many,
> > many different testing configurations available, but based on what
> > you've explained so far, I would recommend thinking of which screen
> > readers you are going to test with first. Then, you can decide if it
> > even matters which browsers you are using.
> >
> > If you are going to use multiple browser and screen reader
> > combinations, then I would suggest that one of the screen readers
> > should be JAWS. That is the most widely used screen reader, and if
> > your site is not usable in JAWS then that will be a problem.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > On 2019-09-20 13:44, Praunicorn wrote:
> >> Hi Philip Kiff,
> >>
> >> Thank you for your information , but I am not able see the
> >> information for Chrome & Edge browsers in the reply chain.
> >>
> >> Chrome & Edge :
> >>
> >> 1. I am using the following combination "Chrome with NVDA" because
> >> In NVDA website they mentioned that they are supporting chrome along
> >> with the FF.
> >>
> >> 2. And also I have doubt, among IE and Edge which one is the best for
> >> Accessibility testing and what is screen reader combination for this.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Sreekar
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >>
> >> From: Philip Kiff
> >> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:42 PM
> >> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> >>
> >> Hi Sreekar,
> >>
> >> The WebAIM list has a search function you can use to see if topics have
> >> been covered before:
> >> https://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >>
> >> There have been many discussions about the best combinations of screen
> >> readers and browsers, for e.g.:
> >> Thread: Screen Reader Version & Browser Version Combination Matrix
> >> https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread†98
> >>
> >> The best combination depends on several factors - including especially
> >> your target audience and what capacity you have for testing. Maybe your
> >> combination is right for you.
> >>
> >> Lots of folks seem to test with two or three of the following
> >> combinations:
> >> JAWS/Internet Explorer
> >> NVDA/Firefox
> >> Voiceover/Safari
> >>
> >> Phil.
> >>
> >> On 2019-09-20 12:52, Praunicorn wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> Kindly help me with Browser and Screen Reader combination. I am
> >>> using below mentioned combinations for my testing. Please let me
> >>> know I am in right combination or not.
> >>>
> >>> 1. Chrome With NVDA
> >>> 2. Edge With Narrator
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Sreekar.
> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "David Engebretson Jr." < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: "'WebAIM Discussion List'" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:25:38 -0700
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> Is JAWS and IE relevant anymore since IE will be poofed out of the MS
> infrastructure in early 2020?
>
> Just curious. Here's what I test with:
> Safari on IOS, and OSX
> NVDA with Firefox and Chrome
> JAWS with Firefox, Chrome, and Edge
>
> Best,
> David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Philip Kiff
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:12 AM
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
>
> Hi Sreekar,
>
> The WebAIM list has a search function you can use to see if topics have
> been
> covered before:
> https://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>
> There have been many discussions about the best combinations of screen
> readers and browsers, for e.g.:
> Thread: Screen Reader Version & Browser Version Combination Matrix
> https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread†98
>
> The best combination depends on several factors - including especially your
> target audience and what capacity you have for testing. Maybe your
> combination is right for you.
>
> Lots of folks seem to test with two or three of the following combinations:
> JAWS/Internet Explorer
> NVDA/Firefox
> Voiceover/Safari
>
> Phil.
>
> On 2019-09-20 12:52, Praunicorn wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Kindly help me with Browser and Screen Reader combination. I am using
> below mentioned combinations for my testing. Please let me know I am in
> right combination or not.
> >
> > 1. Chrome With NVDA
> > 2. Edge With Narrator
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sreekar.
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > at
> http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: glen walker < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 18:10:10 -0600
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> Just remember that the survey is voluntary and not a distributed population
> set. So the "most popular" combinations of screen readers and browsers
> might end up being the most popular testing environments because the survey
> might have been filled out by mostly accessibility testers (for example).
> If you wanted a true "most popular" result based on actual screen reader
> users (and not testers), the survey would have to be limited to that
> population.
>
> It's still a great survey but you have to be careful with the results.
>
> You'll notice in the results that NVDA seems to be on par with JAWS but I
> suspect that's because more and more accessibility testers fill out the
> survey and most testers use both screen readers.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 2:33 PM Philip Kiff < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Oh, and WebAIM does an excellent annual survey of screen reader users
> > and they publish the results, including a table showing the most popular
> > combinations of browsers and screen readers:
> > https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/#browsercombos
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jared Smith < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 18:36:16 -0600
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> > Just remember that the survey is voluntary and not a distributed
> population
> > set.
>
> Correct, but it is the largest data set from screen reader users available.
>
> > So the "most popular" combinations of screen readers and browsers
> > might end up being the most popular testing environments because the
> survey
> > might have been filled out by mostly accessibility testers (for example).
>
> This is not correct. 89.2% of respondents to the survey that is linked
> here reported using a screen reader due to a disability. When there
> are notable differences in responses between respondents with and
> without disabilities, we note these, but most of the time the
> responses generally align. In other words, the 10.8% of respondents
> that don't have a disability do not skew the reported data in
> significant ways.
>
> > You'll notice in the results that NVDA seems to be on par with JAWS but I
> > suspect that's because more and more accessibility testers fill out the
> > survey and most testers use both screen readers.
>
> Your suspicion is generally incorrect. 64.7% of respondents with
> disabilities use NVDA compared to 69.3% of respondents without
> disabilities. So usage is slightly higher among those without
> disabilities, but these are so few in number that this skews the
> overall NVDA usage percentage by only .2%.
>
> We'll be publishing results from our most recent survey in the next week
> or so.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jared Smith
> WebAIM.org
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Glen Walker < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 18:41:13 -0600
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> Good to know. Thanks for the clarifications.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 20, 2019, at 6:36 PM, Jared Smith < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> >> Just remember that the survey is voluntary and not a distributed
> population
> >> set.
> >
> > Correct, but it is the largest data set from screen reader users
> available.
> >
> >> So the "most popular" combinations of screen readers and browsers
> >> might end up being the most popular testing environments because the
> survey
> >> might have been filled out by mostly accessibility testers (for
> example).
> >
> > This is not correct. 89.2% of respondents to the survey that is linked
> > here reported using a screen reader due to a disability. When there
> > are notable differences in responses between respondents with and
> > without disabilities, we note these, but most of the time the
> > responses generally align. In other words, the 10.8% of respondents
> > that don't have a disability do not skew the reported data in
> > significant ways.
> >
> >> You'll notice in the results that NVDA seems to be on par with JAWS but
> I
> >> suspect that's because more and more accessibility testers fill out the
> >> survey and most testers use both screen readers.
> >
> > Your suspicion is generally incorrect. 64.7% of respondents with
> > disabilities use NVDA compared to 69.3% of respondents without
> > disabilities. So usage is slightly higher among those without
> > disabilities, but these are so few in number that this skews the
> > overall NVDA usage percentage by only .2%.
> >
> > We'll be publishing results from our most recent survey in the next week
> or so.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jared Smith
> > WebAIM.org
> > > > > > > > >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Philip Kiff < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 21:14:43 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> > Is JAWS and IE relevant anymore since IE will be poofed out of the MS
> > infrastructure in early 2020?
> Mmm. Good point, but is IE really disappearing in 2020?
>
> Like I say, I'm not really on top of the current news on this - I only
> replied to this thread initially in order not to leave Sreekar in the
> lurch without any responses. There are many folks on this list who know
> considerably more than me about the state of screen readers and browsers.
>
> But is IE really disappearing? There are still tons and tons of
> intranets and custom applications that have been coded poorly and will
> only work on IE. Those aren't going to disappear in 2020. I thought that
> what Microsoft was planning on doing was somehow magically incorporating
> an IE 11 emulator into Edge in order to guarantee that all those crappy
> intranets will still work for several more years while systems folk
> around the world scramble to recode what should have never been coded in
> the first place, or to create replacements that are written in proper,
> acceptable standards-compliant and somewhat-accessible code.
>
> Aren't they even going to keep supporting IE 11 as an Enterprise product
> for a while?
>
> If both those are true, then whether you call it Edge or IE 11, there
> will be lots of sites that still have to work with it? But like I say,
> I'm not sure if all that is true?
>
> (And indeed, if Microsoft manages to actually pull off a modern browser
> that can smoothly switch between a Webkit rendering engine and some
> crazy IE 11 emulator, then someone over in their coding dept. will
> deserve considerable praise. But I wonder if all that will really be
> possible.... :-)
>
> Phil.
>
> On 2019-09-20 17:25, David Engebretson Jr. wrote:
> > Is JAWS and IE relevant anymore since IE will be poofed out of the MS
> > infrastructure in early 2020?
> >
> > Just curious. Here's what I test with:
> > Safari on IOS, and OSX
> > NVDA with Firefox and Chrome
> > JAWS with Firefox, Chrome, and Edge
> >
> > Best,
> > David
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> > Philip Kiff
> > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:12 AM
> > To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> >
> > Hi Sreekar,
> >
> > The WebAIM list has a search function you can use to see if topics have
> been
> > covered before:
> > https://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
> > There have been many discussions about the best combinations of screen
> > readers and browsers, for e.g.:
> > Thread: Screen Reader Version & Browser Version Combination Matrix
> > https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread†98
> >
> > The best combination depends on several factors - including especially
> your
> > target audience and what capacity you have for testing. Maybe your
> > combination is right for you.
> >
> > Lots of folks seem to test with two or three of the following
> combinations:
> > JAWS/Internet Explorer
> > NVDA/Firefox
> > Voiceover/Safari
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > On 2019-09-20 12:52, Praunicorn wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Kindly help me with Browser and Screen Reader combination. I am using
> > below mentioned combinations for my testing. Please let me know I am in
> > right combination or not.
> >> 1. Chrome With NVDA
> >> 2. Edge With Narrator
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Sreekar.
> >>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Philip Kiff < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 21:20:06 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> > (And indeed, if Microsoft manages to actually pull off a modern
> > browser that can smoothly switch between a Webkit rendering engine[....]
> Not Webkit, I meant Blink - the Chrome rendering engine that Edge is now
> using.
>
> Phil.
>
> On 2019-09-20 21:14, Philip Kiff wrote:
> >> Is JAWS and IE relevant anymore since IE will be poofed out of the MS
> >> infrastructure in early 2020?
> > Mmm. Good point, but is IE really disappearing in 2020?
> >
> > Like I say, I'm not really on top of the current news on this - I only
> > replied to this thread initially in order not to leave Sreekar in the
> > lurch without any responses. There are many folks on this list who
> > know considerably more than me about the state of screen readers and
> > browsers.
> >
> > But is IE really disappearing? There are still tons and tons of
> > intranets and custom applications that have been coded poorly and will
> > only work on IE. Those aren't going to disappear in 2020. I thought
> > that what Microsoft was planning on doing was somehow magically
> > incorporating an IE 11 emulator into Edge in order to guarantee that
> > all those crappy intranets will still work for several more years
> > while systems folk around the world scramble to recode what should
> > have never been coded in the first place, or to create replacements
> > that are written in proper, acceptable standards-compliant and
> > somewhat-accessible code.
> >
> > Aren't they even going to keep supporting IE 11 as an Enterprise
> > product for a while?
> >
> > If both those are true, then whether you call it Edge or IE 11, there
> > will be lots of sites that still have to work with it? But like I say,
> > I'm not sure if all that is true?
> >
> > (And indeed, if Microsoft manages to actually pull off a modern
> > browser that can smoothly switch between a Webkit rendering engine and
> > some crazy IE 11 emulator, then someone over in their coding dept.
> > will deserve considerable praise. But I wonder if all that will really
> > be possible.... :-)
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > On 2019-09-20 17:25, David Engebretson Jr. wrote:
> >> Is JAWS and IE relevant anymore since IE will be poofed out of the MS
> >> infrastructure in early 2020?
> >>
> >> Just curious. Here's what I test with:
> >> Safari on IOS, and OSX
> >> NVDA with Firefox and Chrome
> >> JAWS with Firefox, Chrome, and Edge
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> >> Philip Kiff
> >> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:12 AM
> >> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> >>
> >> Hi Sreekar,
> >>
> >> The WebAIM list has a search function you can use to see if topics
> >> have been
> >> covered before:
> >> https://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >>
> >> There have been many discussions about the best combinations of screen
> >> readers and browsers, for e.g.:
> >> Thread: Screen Reader Version & Browser Version Combination Matrix
> >> https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread†98
> >>
> >> The best combination depends on several factors - including
> >> especially your
> >> target audience and what capacity you have for testing. Maybe your
> >> combination is right for you.
> >>
> >> Lots of folks seem to test with two or three of the following
> >> combinations:
> >> JAWS/Internet Explorer
> >> NVDA/Firefox
> >> Voiceover/Safari
> >>
> >> Phil.
> >>
> >> On 2019-09-20 12:52, Praunicorn wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> Kindly help me with Browser and Screen Reader combination. I am using
> >> below mentioned combinations for my testing. Please let me know I am in
> >> right combination or not.
> >>> 1. Chrome With NVDA
> >>> 2. Edge With Narrator
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Sreekar.
> >>>
> > > > > > > > >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Philip Kiff < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 21:52:08 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> Another quick follow-up.
>
> > Is JAWS and IE relevant anymore since IE will be poofed out of the MS
> > infrastructure in early 2020?
> I think you're confusing the end of IE 10 with the end of IE 11. A
> little web searching reminded me that MS has said that they will support
> IE 11 though the life of the operating system it shipped with. Which
> means that we'll still have IE 11 *years* from now, since it shipped
> with Windows 10 (?). IE 10 is end-of-life in January 2020. I think we'll
> find that many, many JAWS users continue to use IE 11 for several more
> years. That's what they know, and that's what works. Why would they
> change if they don't have to? Though I expect the market share to
> decrease - especially as NVDA takes over as an incredibly hard-to-resist
> free option.
>
> I'll be interested to see the current state of browsers + screen readers
> as reflected in the new WebAIM survey results due out soon!
>
> Phil.
>
> On 2019-09-20 21:20, Philip Kiff wrote:
> >> (And indeed, if Microsoft manages to actually pull off a modern
> >> browser that can smoothly switch between a Webkit rendering engine[....]
> > Not Webkit, I meant Blink - the Chrome rendering engine that Edge is
> > now using.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > On 2019-09-20 21:14, Philip Kiff wrote:
> >>> Is JAWS and IE relevant anymore since IE will be poofed out of the MS
> >>> infrastructure in early 2020?
> >> Mmm. Good point, but is IE really disappearing in 2020?
> >>
> >> Like I say, I'm not really on top of the current news on this - I
> >> only replied to this thread initially in order not to leave Sreekar
> >> in the lurch without any responses. There are many folks on this list
> >> who know considerably more than me about the state of screen readers
> >> and browsers.
> >>
> >> But is IE really disappearing? There are still tons and tons of
> >> intranets and custom applications that have been coded poorly and
> >> will only work on IE. Those aren't going to disappear in 2020. I
> >> thought that what Microsoft was planning on doing was somehow
> >> magically incorporating an IE 11 emulator into Edge in order to
> >> guarantee that all those crappy intranets will still work for several
> >> more years while systems folk around the world scramble to recode
> >> what should have never been coded in the first place, or to create
> >> replacements that are written in proper, acceptable
> >> standards-compliant and somewhat-accessible code.
> >>
> >> Aren't they even going to keep supporting IE 11 as an Enterprise
> >> product for a while?
> >>
> >> If both those are true, then whether you call it Edge or IE 11, there
> >> will be lots of sites that still have to work with it? But like I
> >> say, I'm not sure if all that is true?
> >>
> >> (And indeed, if Microsoft manages to actually pull off a modern
> >> browser that can smoothly switch between a Webkit rendering engine
> >> and some crazy IE 11 emulator, then someone over in their coding
> >> dept. will deserve considerable praise. But I wonder if all that will
> >> really be possible.... :-)
> >>
> >> Phil.
> >>
> >> On 2019-09-20 17:25, David Engebretson Jr. wrote:
> >>> Is JAWS and IE relevant anymore since IE will be poofed out of the MS
> >>> infrastructure in early 2020?
> >>>
> >>> Just curious. Here's what I test with:
> >>> Safari on IOS, and OSX
> >>> NVDA with Firefox and Chrome
> >>> JAWS with Firefox, Chrome, and Edge
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> >>> Philip Kiff
> >>> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:12 AM
> >>> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
> >>>
> >>> Hi Sreekar,
> >>>
> >>> The WebAIM list has a search function you can use to see if topics
> >>> have been
> >>> covered before:
> >>> https://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >>>
> >>> There have been many discussions about the best combinations of screen
> >>> readers and browsers, for e.g.:
> >>> Thread: Screen Reader Version & Browser Version Combination Matrix
> >>> https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread†98
> >>>
> >>> The best combination depends on several factors - including
> >>> especially your
> >>> target audience and what capacity you have for testing. Maybe your
> >>> combination is right for you.
> >>>
> >>> Lots of folks seem to test with two or three of the following
> >>> combinations:
> >>> JAWS/Internet Explorer
> >>> NVDA/Firefox
> >>> Voiceover/Safari
> >>>
> >>> Phil.
> >>>
> >>> On 2019-09-20 12:52, Praunicorn wrote:
> >>>> Hi All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Kindly help me with Browser and Screen Reader combination. I am using
> >>> below mentioned combinations for my testing. Please let me know I am in
> >>> right combination or not.
> >>>> 1. Chrome With NVDA
> >>>> 2. Edge With Narrator
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Sreekar.
> >>>>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 13:01:25 +0000
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an
> effect?
> Recently, I have seen a couple of instances where JavaScript is being used
> to control the focus order, so it does not follow the sequence you would
> expect from inspecting the DOM. In one case it was causing a keyboard trap
> that had us baffled for a while.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Bim Egan
> Sent: 20 September 2019 19:48
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an
> effect?
>
> Hi Steve,
> Sorry it's a test environment I've had to be white listed. I could redact
> the code let you see the HTML for that part of the page, but at doesn't
> actually help much if JavaScript is doing the damage.
> Like you I've seen some very odd mark up, but this one has me Foxed.
>
> Bim
>
> > On 20 Sep 2019, at 19:03, Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >
> > There are any number of reasons why the sub menu links can't be reached,
> but I would not expect aria-controls to be one of them. We would need to
> see the code to figure it out - can you share the URL? We spend a lot of
> time trying to understand the increasingly crazy code that we're presented
> with these days, but there's always an answer.
> >
> > Steve Green
> > Managing Director
> > Test Partners Ltd
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> > Bim Egan
> > Sent: 20 September 2019 12:33
> > To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Subject: [WebAIM] Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an
> effect?
> >
> > Good afternoon all,
> >
> > I'm testing a mega menu that doesn't appear to be working properly, and
> I can't figure out why.
> >
> > The large screen view has a horizontal menu that is working, but when
> it gets to small screen and the hamburger menu button appears, the sub menu
> links can't be reached.
> >
> > The menu button has an aria-controls attribute that matches the
> > sub-menu id, but when the menu button is activated, there's more
> > revealed than just the sub-menu. The devs have inserted a search field
> > and button between the (now
> > "close") button and the sub-menu. My expectation was to move from the
> search button to the first sub-menu item, but instead it moves into main
> content.
> >
> > HeydonWorks article seems to suggest that aria-controls could cause some
> problems in this situation, but he doesn't go into detail.
> > https://www.heydonworks.com/article/aria-controls-is-poop
> >
> > So can anyone tell me if the problem will be solved if the devs move the
> mobile version search out of the dropdown or what can be done to bring the
> mobile sub-menu into the tab order?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Bim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------
> > Bim Egan
> > Skype phone: 01223 96 87 96
> > Personal Email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > Skype ID: bim.accessequals
> >
> > Coordinator: Describe Online
> > W: www.describe-online.com
> > E: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > ----------------------------------------
> > Partner: AccessEquals
> > W: www.accessequals.com
> > E: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Birkir R. Gunnarsson" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:33:32 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an
> effect?
> aria-controls alone should not affect anything in the underlying code,
> not even content order, but "should" is the operative word here, there
> are some crazy things going on in the work of web content markup.
> If you turn the screen reader off and retest, or force screen reader
> into application/forms mode, are you able to reach the menu?
>
>
> On 9/21/19, Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > Recently, I have seen a couple of instances where JavaScript is being
> used
> > to control the focus order, so it does not follow the sequence you would
> > expect from inspecting the DOM. In one case it was causing a keyboard
> trap
> > that had us baffled for a while.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Bim
> > Egan
> > Sent: 20 September 2019 19:48
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an
> > effect?
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> > Sorry it's a test environment I've had to be white listed. I could redact
> > the code let you see the HTML for that part of the page, but at doesn't
> > actually help much if JavaScript is doing the damage.
> > Like you I've seen some very odd mark up, but this one has me Foxed.
> >
> > Bim
> >
> >> On 20 Sep 2019, at 19:03, Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> There are any number of reasons why the sub menu links can't be reached,
> >> but I would not expect aria-controls to be one of them. We would need to
> >> see the code to figure it out - can you share the URL? We spend a lot of
> >> time trying to understand the increasingly crazy code that we're
> presented
> >> with these days, but there's always an answer.
> >>
> >> Steve Green
> >> Managing Director
> >> Test Partners Ltd
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> >> Bim Egan
> >> Sent: 20 September 2019 12:33
> >> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> >> Subject: [WebAIM] Focus order issue ... Could Aria-controls have an
> >> effect?
> >>
> >> Good afternoon all,
> >>
> >> I'm testing a mega menu that doesn't appear to be working properly, and
> I
> >> can't figure out why.
> >>
> >> The large screen view has a horizontal menu that is working, but when
> it
> >> gets to small screen and the hamburger menu button appears, the sub menu
> >> links can't be reached.
> >>
> >> The menu button has an aria-controls attribute that matches the
> >> sub-menu id, but when the menu button is activated, there's more
> >> revealed than just the sub-menu. The devs have inserted a search field
> >> and button between the (now
> >> "close") button and the sub-menu. My expectation was to move from the
> >> search button to the first sub-menu item, but instead it moves into main
> >> content.
> >>
> >> HeydonWorks article seems to suggest that aria-controls could cause some
> >> problems in this situation, but he doesn't go into detail.
> >> https://www.heydonworks.com/article/aria-controls-is-poop
> >>
> >> So can anyone tell me if the problem will be solved if the devs move the
> >> mobile version search out of the dropdown or what can be done to bring
> the
> >> mobile sub-menu into the tab order?
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >>
> >> Bim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -------------
> >> Bim Egan
> >> Skype phone: 01223 96 87 96
> >> Personal Email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >> Skype ID: bim.accessequals
> >>
> >> Coordinator: Describe Online
> >> W: www.describe-online.com
> >> E: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >> ----------------------------------------
> >> Partner: AccessEquals
> >> W: www.accessequals.com
> >> E: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >>
> >> > >> > >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >> > >> > >> > >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >> > > > > > archives at
> > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > > > > >
>
>
> --
> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
>
> > > > >

From: Christine Hogenkamp
Date: Thu, Sep 26 2019 12:42PM
Subject: Re: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 174, Issue 25
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Hi Greg,

If the content of your image (ie the product info regarding item, size,
colour, etc) is already addressed elsewhere on the page in live text (as is
best practice for accessibility), then repeating that just to identify the
image would be considered redundant, as the image is acting decorative to
match that product info.

I find this tree handy sometimes:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/images/decision-tree/

Goodluck!
--
*Christine Hogenkamp*
Front-end Developer

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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Greg Jellin < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 16:26:21 -0700
> Subject: [WebAIM] Image alt text for multiple product views on retail
> websites
> Hello friends,
>
> I'm working on an interesting problem for a major retailer. Each product
> detail page has several product view images in both thumbnail format and
> large image. As is typical on retail product sites the expectation is
> that users will select various product thumbnails and the main image
> will be a larger version. To see an example of what I'm talking about
> take a look at a random product on Target's website:
>
> https://www.target.com/p/wrangler-men-s-button-down-shirt-gray/-/A-54587668?preselect=54501186#lnk=sametab
>
> Notice that Target wraps each thumbnail image with an a button
> containing an aria-label. The aria-label basically provides the name of
> the product with "image x of x". The alt text on each thumb is null. And
> the large version of the image also uses null alt.
>
> I've investigated several major retailers (Walmart, Amazon, Zappos,
> etc.) and they all have different techniques. None describe the details
> of the images.
>
> I'd like to hear your opinions. What is useful to screen reader users
> here? If you can't see the images what would be an appropriate treatment?
>
> Do you think that each thumb should be described in detail (i.e., "Front
> view of man wearing Wrangler Button-Down Shirt")?
>
> Should null alt be used across the board on these images?
>
> Should the entire region be hidden from screen readers?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
>
>
> > > > >

From: Kolitsky, Michael A PHD
Date: Wed, Oct 02 2019 1:48PM
Subject: Re: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 175, Issue 2
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Hi everyone, thought I would pass along the news that I'll be presenting a webinar for the American Association for Anatomy on 3D printed "talking" tactile templates on Wednesday, October 9 from 1 - 2 PM ET. More information is available at the following web address and the webinar is complimentary to all members and non-members so if you know any anatomists or instructional technology folks who help make microscope slides or anatomy sections accessible, please pass the info along.

https://www.anatomy.org/educational-applications-of-3d-printing.html

Thanks,

Mike

Michael Kolitsky, Ph.D.
Online Adjunct Professor
Biological Sciences
The University of Texas at El Paso
609-399-2431
www.nextgenemedia.com/kolitskycv.html

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