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From: glen walker
Date: Fri, Apr 17 2020 7:21PM
Subject: Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?
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"Mobile Accessibility: How WCAG 2.0 and Other W3C/WAI Guidelines Apply to
Mobile <https://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-accessibility-mapping/>" is a decent
reference for applying WCAG to native apps.

Testing websites for 1.4.4 on a desktop is pretty easy. Just use the
browser's zoom (Ctrl++ or Cmd++). Does anyone do something similar when
testing native apps? And I mean the app as a whole, not specifically a
UIWebView type object.

1.4.4 talks about *not* using assistive technology to zoom. On iOS, the
"Larger Text" option is in the Accessibility settings. On Android, the
"Font size and style" setting is under "Visibility enhancements" which is
under "Accessibility". Those both sound like "assistive technology".

Does that mean if an a native app does not reflow nicely when you change
the font size, then it's not an issue with regards to WCAG? (It's an issue
for the user but sometimes companies need more incentive to fix problems
other than "it's a problem for the user". Go figure.)

From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Fri, Apr 17 2020 7:35PM
Subject: Re: Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?
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The text size features in iOS and Android are an appropriate place to start for testing text resize in native mobile apps. The larger text features are not considered assistive technology and thus should be used (in my book)-- but the three finger Zoom/magnification feature is considered assistive technology and should not be used. Keep in mind that apps can also provide in app settings for text size or other methods such as pinch zoom within the app that could meet the resize criterion.

For info on how Apple text settings may correlate to 200% check out this article on typography (https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/visual-design/typography/):

Jonathan

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Subject: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

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"Mobile Accessibility: How WCAG 2.0 and Other W3C/WAI Guidelines Apply to Mobile <https://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-accessibility-mapping/>" is a decent reference for applying WCAG to native apps.

Testing websites for 1.4.4 on a desktop is pretty easy. Just use the browser's zoom (Ctrl++ or Cmd++). Does anyone do something similar when testing native apps? And I mean the app as a whole, not specifically a UIWebView type object.

1.4.4 talks about *not* using assistive technology to zoom. On iOS, the "Larger Text" option is in the Accessibility settings. On Android, the "Font size and style" setting is under "Visibility enhancements" which is under "Accessibility". Those both sound like "assistive technology".

Does that mean if an a native app does not reflow nicely when you change the font size, then it's not an issue with regards to WCAG? (It's an issue for the user but sometimes companies need more incentive to fix problems other than "it's a problem for the user". Go figure.)

From: Steve Green
Date: Fri, Apr 17 2020 7:51PM
Subject: Re: Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?
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My interpretation is completely in line with Jonathan's comments.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd


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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

The text size features in iOS and Android are an appropriate place to start for testing text resize in native mobile apps. The larger text features are not considered assistive technology and thus should be used (in my book)-- but the three finger Zoom/magnification feature is considered assistive technology and should not be used. Keep in mind that apps can also provide in app settings for text size or other methods such as pinch zoom within the app that could meet the resize criterion.

For info on how Apple text settings may correlate to 200% check out this article on typography (https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/visual-design/typography/):

Jonathan

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"Mobile Accessibility: How WCAG 2.0 and Other W3C/WAI Guidelines Apply to Mobile <https://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-accessibility-mapping/>" is a decent reference for applying WCAG to native apps.

Testing websites for 1.4.4 on a desktop is pretty easy. Just use the browser's zoom (Ctrl++ or Cmd++). Does anyone do something similar when testing native apps? And I mean the app as a whole, not specifically a UIWebView type object.

1.4.4 talks about *not* using assistive technology to zoom. On iOS, the "Larger Text" option is in the Accessibility settings. On Android, the "Font size and style" setting is under "Visibility enhancements" which is under "Accessibility". Those both sound like "assistive technology".

Does that mean if an a native app does not reflow nicely when you change the font size, then it's not an issue with regards to WCAG? (It's an issue for the user but sometimes companies need more incentive to fix problems other than "it's a problem for the user". Go figure.)

From: Murphy, Sean
Date: Sat, Apr 18 2020 12:45AM
Subject: Re: Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?
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I agree with all the statements on this topic. We had the same discussion internally and we are looking at this resize and re-flow issue for native apps. The consensus is to use the native iOS accessibility features.

We are still in the research side for reflow

Sean


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The text size features in iOS and Android are an appropriate place to start for testing text resize in native mobile apps. The larger text features are not considered assistive technology and thus should be used (in my book)-- but the three finger Zoom/magnification feature is considered assistive technology and should not be used. Keep in mind that apps can also provide in app settings for text size or other methods such as pinch zoom within the app that could meet the resize criterion.

For info on how Apple text settings may correlate to 200% check out this article on typography (https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/visual-design/typography/):

Jonathan

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Subject: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

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"Mobile Accessibility: How WCAG 2.0 and Other W3C/WAI Guidelines Apply to Mobile <https://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-accessibility-mapping/>" is a decent reference for applying WCAG to native apps.

Testing websites for 1.4.4 on a desktop is pretty easy. Just use the browser's zoom (Ctrl++ or Cmd++). Does anyone do something similar when testing native apps? And I mean the app as a whole, not specifically a UIWebView type object.

1.4.4 talks about *not* using assistive technology to zoom. On iOS, the "Larger Text" option is in the Accessibility settings. On Android, the "Font size and style" setting is under "Visibility enhancements" which is under "Accessibility". Those both sound like "assistive technology".

Does that mean if an a native app does not reflow nicely when you change the font size, then it's not an issue with regards to WCAG? (It's an issue for the user but sometimes companies need more incentive to fix problems other than "it's a problem for the user". Go figure.)

From: Steve Green
Date: Sat, Apr 18 2020 4:31AM
Subject: Re: Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?
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Since 1.4.4 specifies that the testing must be conducted at a specific viewport width or height, you would have to obtain mobile devices with screens of the relevant size unless you have a device with a split screen capability that allows you to set the viewport dimensions for an app.

We have more than 115 mobile devices, but apart from legacy devices such as the iPad 2, none of them have a height or width of 1280 or 1024 pixels except a few of the Samsung Galaxy Tab models. Even these are several years old. I don't know how you would search for other devices based on their screen size.

Steve


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Sent: 18 April 2020 07:46
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

I agree with all the statements on this topic. We had the same discussion internally and we are looking at this resize and re-flow issue for native apps. The consensus is to use the native iOS accessibility features.

We are still in the research side for reflow

Sean


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Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 11:35:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

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The text size features in iOS and Android are an appropriate place to start for testing text resize in native mobile apps. The larger text features are not considered assistive technology and thus should be used (in my book)-- but the three finger Zoom/magnification feature is considered assistive technology and should not be used. Keep in mind that apps can also provide in app settings for text size or other methods such as pinch zoom within the app that could meet the resize criterion.

For info on how Apple text settings may correlate to 200% check out this article on typography (https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/visual-design/typography/):

Jonathan

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Subject: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

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"Mobile Accessibility: How WCAG 2.0 and Other W3C/WAI Guidelines Apply to Mobile <https://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-accessibility-mapping/>" is a decent reference for applying WCAG to native apps.

Testing websites for 1.4.4 on a desktop is pretty easy. Just use the browser's zoom (Ctrl++ or Cmd++). Does anyone do something similar when testing native apps? And I mean the app as a whole, not specifically a UIWebView type object.

1.4.4 talks about *not* using assistive technology to zoom. On iOS, the "Larger Text" option is in the Accessibility settings. On Android, the "Font size and style" setting is under "Visibility enhancements" which is under "Accessibility". Those both sound like "assistive technology".

Does that mean if an a native app does not reflow nicely when you change the font size, then it's not an issue with regards to WCAG? (It's an issue for the user but sometimes companies need more incentive to fix problems other than "it's a problem for the user". Go figure.)

From: Steve Green
Date: Sat, Apr 18 2020 4:36AM
Subject: Re: Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?
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Of course I meant 1.4.10, not 1.4.4.

Steve

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Sent: 18 April 2020 11:32
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

Since 1.4.4 specifies that the testing must be conducted at a specific viewport width or height, you would have to obtain mobile devices with screens of the relevant size unless you have a device with a split screen capability that allows you to set the viewport dimensions for an app.

We have more than 115 mobile devices, but apart from legacy devices such as the iPad 2, none of them have a height or width of 1280 or 1024 pixels except a few of the Samsung Galaxy Tab models. Even these are several years old. I don't know how you would search for other devices based on their screen size.

Steve


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Sent: 18 April 2020 07:46
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

I agree with all the statements on this topic. We had the same discussion internally and we are looking at this resize and re-flow issue for native apps. The consensus is to use the native iOS accessibility features.

We are still in the research side for reflow

Sean


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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

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The text size features in iOS and Android are an appropriate place to start for testing text resize in native mobile apps. The larger text features are not considered assistive technology and thus should be used (in my book)-- but the three finger Zoom/magnification feature is considered assistive technology and should not be used. Keep in mind that apps can also provide in app settings for text size or other methods such as pinch zoom within the app that could meet the resize criterion.

For info on how Apple text settings may correlate to 200% check out this article on typography (https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/visual-design/typography/):

Jonathan

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Subject: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

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"Mobile Accessibility: How WCAG 2.0 and Other W3C/WAI Guidelines Apply to Mobile <https://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-accessibility-mapping/>" is a decent reference for applying WCAG to native apps.

Testing websites for 1.4.4 on a desktop is pretty easy. Just use the browser's zoom (Ctrl++ or Cmd++). Does anyone do something similar when testing native apps? And I mean the app as a whole, not specifically a UIWebView type object.

1.4.4 talks about *not* using assistive technology to zoom. On iOS, the "Larger Text" option is in the Accessibility settings. On Android, the "Font size and style" setting is under "Visibility enhancements" which is under "Accessibility". Those both sound like "assistive technology".

Does that mean if an a native app does not reflow nicely when you change the font size, then it's not an issue with regards to WCAG? (It's an issue for the user but sometimes companies need more incentive to fix problems other than "it's a problem for the user". Go figure.)

From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Sat, Apr 18 2020 6:08AM
Subject: Re: Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?
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On 18/04/2020 11:36, Steve Green wrote:
> Of course I meant 1.4.10, not 1.4.4.

As a side note, for web content on mobile devices (rather than native
content), see the section on "Browsers on mobile operating systems"
https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/reflow.html which
aknowledges that reflow doesn't generally happen on zooming/magnifying
there.

1.4.10 has been specified with desktop web content in mind. As defined,
it's ill-suited to mobile, and even more so to mobile native where
there's even less of a concept of users zooming without two-dimensional
scrolling.

(Hoping that this will be clarified a bit once WCAG2ICT is updated to
cover the new 2.1 SCs, but not holding my breath)

P
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From: joe@a11yeval.com
Date: Sat, Apr 18 2020 6:16PM
Subject: Re: Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?
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Hi All,

I agree with Steve and Johnathan.

Thankx,
Joe Humbert
Accessibility Champion
Native Mobile accessibility Novice

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Green
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 9:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

My interpretation is completely in line with Jonathan's comments.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd


-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
Jonathan Avila
Sent: 18 April 2020 02:35
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

The text size features in iOS and Android are an appropriate place to start
for testing text resize in native mobile apps. The larger text features are
not considered assistive technology and thus should be used (in my book)--
but the three finger Zoom/magnification feature is considered assistive
technology and should not be used. Keep in mind that apps can also provide
in app settings for text size or other methods such as pinch zoom within the
app that could meet the resize criterion.

For info on how Apple text settings may correlate to 200% check out this
article on typography
(https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/visual-de
sign/typography/):

Jonathan

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walker
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 9:21 PM
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Subject: [WebAIM] Do you test 1.4.4 Resize Text for native apps?

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click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the
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"Mobile Accessibility: How WCAG 2.0 and Other W3C/WAI Guidelines Apply to
Mobile <https://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-accessibility-mapping/>" is a decent
reference for applying WCAG to native apps.

Testing websites for 1.4.4 on a desktop is pretty easy. Just use the
browser's zoom (Ctrl++ or Cmd++). Does anyone do something similar when
testing native apps? And I mean the app as a whole, not specifically a
UIWebView type object.

1.4.4 talks about *not* using assistive technology to zoom. On iOS, the
"Larger Text" option is in the Accessibility settings. On Android, the
"Font size and style" setting is under "Visibility enhancements" which is
under "Accessibility". Those both sound like "assistive technology".

Does that mean if an a native app does not reflow nicely when you change the
font size, then it's not an issue with regards to WCAG? (It's an issue for
the user but sometimes companies need more incentive to fix problems other
than "it's a problem for the user". Go figure.)
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