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From: Alan Zaitchik
Date: Thu, Jul 23 2020 6:43AM
Subject: ARIA landmark roles and HTML 5 sectioning elements
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With recent releases of JAWS, NVDA, and VoiceOver and recent releases of Chrome, Firefox, and Safari, is there any benefit from doubling up with code like <nav role="navigation"> or <footer role="contentinfo"> or even <form="form" >? Are there (still) some popular screen reader-browser combinations, perhaps on mobile devices, that benefit from having both HTML5 elements and also the ARIA roles? (I mean, of course, just in those cases where you do have equivalence.) Is there a downside to doubling up?
Thanks,
Alan
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From: Andrews, David B (DEED)
Date: Thu, Jul 23 2020 7:27AM
Subject: Re: ARIA landmark roles and HTML 5 sectioning elements
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The first rule of ARIA is only use ARIA when you can't do something via HTML.
Dave
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With recent releases of JAWS, NVDA, and VoiceOver and recent releases of Chrome, Firefox, and Safari, is there any benefit from doubling up with code like <nav role="navigation"> or <footer role="contentinfo"> or even <form="form" >? Are there (still) some popular screen reader-browser combinations, perhaps on mobile devices, that benefit from having both HTML5 elements and also the ARIA roles? (I mean, of course, just in those cases where you do have equivalence.) Is there a downside to doubling up?
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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Thu, Jul 23 2020 7:56AM
Subject: Re: ARIA landmark roles and HTML 5 sectioning elements
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On 23/07/2020 14:27, Andrews, David B (DEED) wrote:
> The first rule of ARIA is only use ARIA when you can't do something via HTML.
Of course, the "rule" is essentially a best practice recommendation. And
this answer bypasses the actual question: is explicitly adding the same
ARIA role that the element has natively anyway a problem or not? It was
done in the past for some user agents that didn't have the correct
native role assignment (for instance, IE11 not recognising <main>
element, so needed an extra helping hand with <main role="main">).
More recently, Safari/VO still has a problem where an <img> with an SVG
source is not exposed as an actual image, which can be remediated with
an arguably redundant role="img".
https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=187695
In answer to the original question, I'd say: it's probably more a case
of "it's pointless/redundant to do it nowadays" (depending on which
browsers you're targetting ... if you are still seeing/expecting traffic
from a lot of *really* old browsers, then it may well be necessary).
But it doesn't do any harm per se.
P
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From: Laura Fathauer
Date: Thu, Jul 23 2020 7:58AM
Subject: Re: ARIA landmark roles and HTML 5 sectioning elements
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What patrick said!
This used to be recommended particularly for IE compatibility, so
you'll probably continue to see this in the wild for some time.
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