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From: Geof Collis
Date: Dec 21, 2009 5:33PM


Hi Mike

Finally figured out the Accessibility thing, I'm not responsible
for site content so I wasn't aware of that but changed it anyway.

I've also fixed the paragraph issue with the main menu and categories

Not sure of the highlighting issue, but if you mean roll overs on the
links, I just want it to be apparent that they've found the link.

I see the problem with colour choices, I'm still in the process of
building the site and haven't uploaded any other choices other than
the 3 main ones at the top.

thanks for the feedback. :O)

cheers

Geof



At 05:36 PM 12/21/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Geof
>
>Call me heading crazy - but I agree with Margit.
>
>Visually Main Menu" and "Categories" perform the function of being headings
>for the "content" that follows - little matter that "content" is navigation.
>
>If a screen reader chooses to scope the page by listening to all headings
>first up they will miss those sections - which may be where they want to go
>- yes, you've got them covered by links, but no harm in covering all bases.
>
>Semantically, Main Menu and Categories are not paragraphs - so what are
>they?
>
>"ACCESSIBILITY" presumably should also be a heading - it's clearly not a
>paragraph.
>
>Couple of other observations - on first look I didn't realise the site was a
>blog or had a blog and "Categories" seemed meaningless, perhaps the more
>explicit "Blog Categories" might be better.
>
>I presume that the white on black style as default is for
>accessibility/legibility purposes rather than stylistic ones (?) - in which
>case I find it interesting that highlights are shown as black text on white
>which would be harder to read for people who prefer white on black. Wouldn't
>a highlighting mechanism that fits the white on black style be more
>appropriate?
>
>Strongly applaud your styling of link focus so that tabbing really stands
>out - not done often enough!
>
>Why is Search not where you'd expect it to be - top right?
>
>I tried changing Accessibility Options to my preferred black on white - but
>results were mixed and then couldn't get back to white on black.
>
>When I click "High Contrast" not sure what changed or what style I'm
>currently in. If the choices are one of Default colours, High Contrast and
>Mobile - which I'm now guessing they might be - perhaps radio buttons would
>make that clearer?
>
>
>
>Regards
>Mike Osborne
>
>AccEase Ltd
>p. 04 934 2821
>m. 021 675 010
>e. <EMAIL REMOVED>
>w. www.AccEase.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Geof Collis
>Sent: Tuesday, 22 December 2009 11:00 a.m.
>To: WebAIM Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Headings
>
>Hi Margit
>
>Thanks but I find people are going heading crazy. :O)
>
>Thanks also for the style sheet, seems I spelled color with a "u" for
>the content section, gonna have to go through other ones to see if I
>made the same mistake.
>
>cheers
>
>Geof
>
>At 04:31 PM 12/21/2009, you wrote:
> >Geof,
> >
> >I would make Main Menu, Categories, and Search this Site <h2> headings and
> >apply a style class so that you can keep the look you have. This would
>still
> >allow you to keep your heading 1 where you have it now - to mark up the
> >start of your main content. I think this is in line with WCAG 2
> >recommendation, take a look at http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H42.html. I
> >like to have as much structural markup as possible, I think of headings a
> >little bit like the outline for a table of contents just like in a Word
> >document.
> >
> >On another note, the Default Colors link in your Main Menu goes to a page
> >that doesn't load the stylesheet correctly. It loads as all white text on
> >white background for me, not sure if you are aware of that.
> >
> >Margit
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Geof Collis < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Andrew
> > >
> > > I think the argument here is that my navigation are supposed to be
> > > headings, but I dont see it that way, navigation is navigation and
> > > then there is content. I dont see a need to use headings as I have
> > > said before, all I have is bold text to signify that it is a mainn
> > > navigation and categories, if I chose not to put any text then there
> > > would be no need to put headings at all.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > Geof
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 03:59 PM 12/21/2009, you wrote:
> > > >Geof,
> > > >Maybe you already fixed it, but when I look at the code I see one
> > > ><h1> and two <h2> elements, and in my book those count as headings.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >AWK
> > > >
> > > >Andrew Kirkpatrick
> > > >
> > > >Senior Product Manager, Accessibility
> > > >
> > > >Adobe Systems
> > > >
> > > > <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > > >[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of
>Moore,Michael
> > > (DARS)
> > > >Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:48 PM
> > > >To: WebAIM Discussion List
> > > >Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Headings
> > > >
> > > >My own personal warped opinion is that if it visibly looks like a
> > > >heading then it should be coded as a heading. Why would you want
> > > >headings for sighted users that are not available for screen reader
> > > >users? As far as the heading order goes, you can control that
> > > >through the code order with CSS and/or make the main heading an h1
> > > >and the other headings lower heading. If I want to get to the main
> > > >heading using a screen reader I can just whack the key for that
> > > >heading level - the "1" key in JAWS.
> > > >
> > > >Mike Moore
> > > >(512) 424-4159
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > > >[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Geof Collis
> > > >Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:03 PM
> > > >To: WebAIM Discussion List
> > > >Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Headings
> > > >
> > > >But I want the first heading to be the main content, I have skip
> > > >links, they are marked up as lists and I use role landmarks, is that
> > > >not enough?
> > > >
> > > >At 01:55 PM 12/21/2009, you wrote:
> > > > > > They are, but is it an WCAG issue if they aren't coded as
>headings?
> > > > >
> > > > >Looking at the sufficient techniques for WCAG 2.0 4.1.2
> > > > >(http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/ensure-compat-rsv.html),
> > > > >I would think that they should be marked up as headings.
> > > > >
> > > > >Tim
> > > > >