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Re: Use of Headings


From: John E. Brandt
Date: Jul 27, 2010 1:27PM

You will need to educate the author that those days are behind us. In the digital world there is no longer the author's option of having things look the way they want and have it remain that way.

It is a hard reality for some people.

John E. Brandt
Augusta, ME USA

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:11 PM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Use of Headings

It's not always that easy. If the client wants the document "not to change" one hair, there are structural elements that would best be implemented in the PDF Tags Tree. It is a balance of cost: which is going to take the most time and resources and is this Word document a template to be used again or a one-off. I've worked on Word documents, repaired them, given the client instructions on how to not break the structure and have to do the same repairs for the next iteration of the document because of a new hire, new document author, and the list goes on.

It's sometimes just faster and more efficient to make the changes to the Tags Tree in the PDF document.

Cheers, Karen

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of David Farough
Sent: July-27-10 2:26 PM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Use of Headings

I think that the easiest way to deal with this would be to modify the physical structure of the source document and then convert to PDF afterwards.
You could spend a lot of time modifying the tags tree and still have problems. On the webaim site, there is an article which discusses the problems that Jaws has in determining whether a table is for layout or data purposes.
Check out the post from the blog for December 2 entitled "Jaws Ate My Tables"

David Farough
Application Accessibility Coordinator/coordonateur de l'accessibilité Information Technology Services Directorate / Direction des services d'information technologiques Public Service Commission / Commission de la fonction publique Email / Courriel: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Tel. / Tél: (613) 992-2779

>>> "Langum, Michael J" < <EMAIL REMOVED> > 12:08 PM Tuesday, July
27, 2010 >>>
Does the use of table structures for layout trouble screen reader users?

We have an author who is really fond of using layout tables to provide a visual structure to her documents. She writes in Word, and then we convert to PDF for publication on our website. I have attached an extracted sample page.

I'm seeking advice on the best way to work with the Acrobat tag tree in this document.
Logically, the tags should be : <h1>, <h2>, followed by several <p> and an <L>. Then another <h2>, followed by several <p> and an <l> tags.

But because she used a layout table, these tags end up nested in various table tags.

Should I modify the physical structure to reflect the logical structure of the document? Or leave the various table tags in the document?

-- Mike

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