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From: Birkir Rúnar Gunnarsson
Date: Nov 11, 2010 2:30PM

On 11/11/10, Léonie Watson < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> "Are those results public? I've long advocated against accesskeys as they
> are implemented today, and having that kind of quantified data is very
> useful. Are the results posted anywhere public?"
>
> No, unfortunately not. It was very much a quick straw poll, so we didn't
> really keep any of the results/notes to hand. It wouldn't be too difficult
> to run it again more formally though, I'll let you know if we do.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Léonie.
>
> --
> Nomensa - humanising technology
>
> Léonie Watson | Director of Accessibility
> t. +44 (0)117 929 7333
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of John Foliot
> Sent: 09 November 2010 19:56
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] accesskey
>
> Léonie,
>
> Are those results public? I've long advocated against accesskeys as they
> are implemented today, and having that kind of quantified data is very
> useful. Are the results posted anywhere public?
>
> Cheers!
>
> JF
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:webaim-forum-
>> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Léonie Watson
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:25 AM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] accesskey
>>
>> "My experience says that use of access keys is fine unless it does not
>> coinside with short-cuts of browsers, assistive technologies and
>> operating systems."
>>
>> This is technically the case, but I'm not sure it reflects the way
>> blind/partially sighted people perceive accesskeys. We did a straw
>> poll of members of the British Computer Association of the Blind a
>> while back, and most people said they disliked accesskeys, and ignored
>> them in favour of their screen reader's native link handling
>> functionality.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Léonie.
>>
>> --
>> Nomensa - humanising technology
>>
>> Léonie Watson | Director of Accessibility
>> t. +44 (0)117 929 7333
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:webaim-forum-
>> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Accessibility India
>> Sent: 09 November 2010 14:03
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] accesskey
>>
>> Hi Bruna,
>>
>> My experience says that use of access keys is fine unless it does not
>> coinside with short-cuts of browsers, assistive technologies and
>> operating systems. Generally developers take care of all these but let
>> me quote an example where I have observed a coinside of accesskey of
>> the website and short-cut of assistive technology.
>> In the website "www.mail.com, if you login you will have an link to
>> calender. When we clikc on the calender we have options "Previous week
>> and next week".
>> This options are provided with short-cuts "Previous week control + alt
>> + page-up, Next week with control + alt + page down, where as same
>> short - cuts are used in JAWS (screen reader) for increasing and
>> decreasing rate of speech speed.
>>
>> Hope it helps.
>>
>> On 11/9/10, <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> > We use access keys on internal applications that people use
>> > frequently. That way they learn the access keys that they need. For
>> > externally facing sites we don't employ them due to the risk of
>> > overriding other keys. Internally we have full control over the
>> > browser, OS, and AT so we know which keys are still available.
>> >
>> > Mike Moore
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> > [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Bruna
>> > Poletto Salton
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:50 AM
>> > To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] accesskey
>> >
>> > Thanks Denis.
>> >
>> > This actually helped a lot. We believe that the shortcuts are a good
>> thing.
>> > All my blind co-workers really use them and expect that the website
>> > will provide shortcuts.
>> > But, there are some other people who think there's no need to offer
>> > shortcuts. So, we're still discussing about this issue. I think it's
>> > gonna take some time until we put a closure on this.
>> >
>> > Thanks a lot.
>> >
>> > Bruna Poletto Salton
>> > Projeto Acessibilidade Virtual da RENAPI | Núcleo Bento Gonçalves
>> > http://bento.ifrs.edu.br/acessibilidade
>> > (55)(54) 3455 3219
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Denis Boudreau
>> > < <EMAIL REMOVED> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Bruna,
>> >>
>> >> We've asked ourselves the same question as we were developing the
>> >> accessibility standards up north in Quebec[1]. Accesskey have
>> >> always been a matter of religion: people are usually either for or
>> >> against them.
>> >>
>> >> Given the discoverability issues related to accesskeys and the fact
>> >> that an organization just cannot expect its users to learn/remember
>> >> the special keys reserved on every website they visit, we decided
>> >> that accesskeys would not be allowed on public websites at all.
>> >>
>> >> However, on intranets or applications (where people were expected
>> >> to use them on a regular, if not daily basis), then accesskeys can
>> >> certainly prove useful because users might be tempted to learn and
>> >> remember them in order to improve their efficiency.
>> >>
>> >> Same logic went for multimedia players, because we expect to offer
>> >> a standardized player for every government agency or organization.
>> >> Relying on the same player and making sure it uses control keys can
>> >> and actually proves, to be useful.
>> >>
>> >> We recommended using the following, which have always been
>> >> consensually
>> >> approved:
>> >>
>> >> 1 = Homepage
>> >> 3 = Site map
>> >> 4 = Search
>> >> 9 = Contact Us
>> >> 0 = Accessibility
>> >> s = Skip link
>> >>
>> >> No recommendations were provided as of yet regarding a multimedia
>> player.
>> >>
>> >> Hoping this helps.
>> >>
>> >> [1]
>> >> http://www.msg.gouv.qc.ca/normalisation/standards/accessibilite/
>> >> --
>> >> Denis Boudreau
>> >> <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2010-11-05, at 8:52 AM, Bruna Poletto Salton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi everyone,
>> >> >
>> >> > I always read all the messages from this list, but this is the
>> >> > first time I'm actually asking something.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm Brazilian and I'm working on the brazilian government
>> >> > accessibility guidelines. We are not really sure if we should
>> >> > recommend the use of accesskey in the brazilian government
>> >> > websites. Do people really use the given shortcuts? Do they
>> >> > really
>> work well?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!!
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Bruna Poletto Salton
>> >> > Projeto Acessibilidade Virtual da RENAPI | Núcleo Bento Gonçalves
>> >> > (Virtual Accessibility Project)
>> >> > www.bento.ifrs.edu.br/acessibilidade
>> >> > (55) (54) 3455 3219
>> >> >