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Re: Is this a problem with ARIA implementation on authoring site or a problem with Jaws?

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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Aug 4, 2011 9:33AM

Donald

Oddly enough my Jaws 12 (12.00.167) with IE9 (I was silly enough to
leave my Windows UPdate on and IE was updated, either without me
knowing, or by me accidnetally clicking "ok" when prompted). Anyway,
this combination crashes instantly when I click the button to collapse
the control. I tried it twice, with same results. I suspect IE9/Jaws
combination is to blame and I see there is a Jaws update available
(1169).
So this may be something particular to my machine, but at least you
know there is a potential for user issues.
I will keep testing, NVDA/Firefox etc.
Thanks for the information y'all, this is very educational.


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> Donald, if I have time today, I will try to put an example together as
> well. Have you considered using the aria-controls attribute?
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> Re: [WebAIM] Is this a problem with ARIA implementation on authoring site
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> Here is one way to do it:
> http://websiteaccessibility.donaldevans.com/?p=174
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> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:38 PM, < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Birkir,
>>
>> The link you provide points to a really good example of what not to do
> on a
>> web page, for many reasons.
>>
>> For your specific question, the problem you see is an authoring problem
>> with the expandable text section. The expand/collapse control on the
> page is
>> not using ARIA.
>>
>> Visually, the control is an image of a plus sign when the section is
>> collapsed, or a minus sign when the section is expanded. JavaScript is
> used
>> to show or hide the section, and toggle the image from plus to minus.
>> However, the script does not change the alt text for the image to
> indicate
>> whether the section is currently expanded or collapsed. (The script
> could
>> easily be changed to fix that problem.)
>>
>> In theory, you could ARIA be used to provide the same indication. Of
>> course, it would need to be toggled in the JavaScript also. And I have
> not
>> seen great screen reader support yet for ARIA implementations of
> expandable
>> sections, at least for examples I've seen. Maybe others have found
> better
>> examples.
>>
>> Dan Kinnunen
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> Hello everyone
>>
>> A shortcut question (I have not analyzed this code, I am coming up to
>> speed with ARIA specifications, but I am as curious as George).
>> The following page has an "expand/collapse" text link (Javascript I
> assume)
>> http://www.ncsu.edu/grad/tuition-residency/
>> I have also seen this elsewhere.
>> Expanding the text is no problem at all, but the problem is that Jaws
>> will not tell me whether said text is expanded or not i.e. the state
>> of the link is not announced.
>> Is this a lack of ARIA implementation or is this something that is
>> available, but Jaws does not pick up on?
>> Thanks
>> -Birkir
>>
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