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Re: Screenreaders and MathML

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From: Vincent Young
Date: Nov 1, 2011 9:15PM

> Great to know it is the screen reader users choice whether they hear the
table formatting or not.

Want to make sure no one is confused about the function of
role="presentation". This role essentially removes any accessibility api
related to the semantic element so that in this cause a table is no longer
read as a table, but meaningless mark-up. This is implemented by the
developer and is not a user choice. An example of the difference below:

http://webhipster.com/testing/accessibility/role-presentation/

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Karen Sorensen < <EMAIL REMOVED> >wrote:

> Thanks to Vincent, Birkir and E.A.,
> You may of course link to these videos. Great to know it is the screen
> reader users choice whether they hear the table formatting or not. There
> are other videos on my YouTube channel of unsuccessful attempts to read
> math documents if you are interested. I can also provide a summary of our
> trials. These are the only two successful attempts though. I'd like to try
> using MathJAX with these MathML pages, so students could use other browsers
> besides IE (or at least that's what MathJAX claims).
> What do folks use to make math documents like Word docs or PDFs accessible?
> Math Daisy is what we are thinking is best. Anyone have an opinion on this.
> Thank you!
> Best,
> Karen
> Karen M. Sorensen
> Instructional Technology Specialist
> Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
> Portland Community College
> 971-722-4720
>
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Karen Sorensen < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:01:42 -0700
> > Subject: [WebAIM] Screenreaders and MathML
> > Hi -
> > We are doing some screen reader tests on Math ML. See:
> >
> > - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQL7Woe3hT4
> > - produced using tex4ht (.tex to .xht)
> > - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIxEDl8gvdU
> > - produced using MSWord to .xht
> >
> > Does anyone know how to have the screen reader ignore the table that the
> > equation is formatted with? CSS won't really work because I can't ask the
> > Math faculty to all learn CSS. Any other ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Karen
> >
> > --
> > Karen M. Sorensen
> > Instructional Technology Specialist
> > Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
> > Portland Community College
> > 971-722-4720
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Vincent Young < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:04:47 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Screenreaders and MathML
> > You could try adding role="presentation" to the table.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Karen Sorensen < <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi -
> > > We are doing some screen reader tests on Math ML. See:
> > >
> > > - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQL7Woe3hT4
> > > - produced using tex4ht (.tex to .xht)
> > > - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIxEDl8gvdU
> > > - produced using MSWord to .xht
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how to have the screen reader ignore the table that
> the
> > > equation is formatted with? CSS won't really work because I can't ask
> the
> > > Math faculty to all learn CSS. Any other ideas?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Karen
> > >
> > > --
> > > Karen M. Sorensen
> > > Instructional Technology Specialist
> > > Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
> > > Portland Community College
> > > 971-722-4720
> > >