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Re: Tables with Header cells in the second column, not the first

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From: Jesse Hausler
Date: May 8, 2012 5:53PM

So I used the Insert + Space, followed by T to enter the table layer. I then used the arrow keys to navigate the table. As experienced before, the row header is not announced for cells to the left of the <th> cell. Additionally, removing the scope="row" degraded things such that the cells to the right of the <th> also did not identify the row header.

It's looking like this is a limitation of jaws. I'm curious to see how NVDA responds.

Thanks all for your help and tips.

Jesse


On 5/8/12 4:38 PM, "lucia greco" < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

Its only only read that information to me as I move around in table mode. If
I say speak current cell it should only read the content I think what
happens when you move by cell. Use insert t then use the arrow keys see if
that speaks the headers
Lucia Greco
Assistive Technology Specialist
UC Berkeley
http://attlc.berkeley.edu
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu


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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Tables with Header cells in the second column, not the
first

For me it's always announced the headers of a cell in one tone and changed
to higher (or maybe it's lower) pitch to announce the content of the cell.

Is there a different command I should be using to query the AT for my
headers?

Jesse

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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Tables with Header cells in the second column, not the
first

Hi:
The ctrl alt 5 command reads the current cell I don't think it is meant to
speak the

Lucia Greco
Assistive Technology Specialist
UC Berkeley
http://attlc.berkeley.edu
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu

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Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Tables with Header cells in the second column, not the
first

Ryan and Stella,

I tried both of your suggestions but have found no success. Any other
thoughts? Here is my code. In both cases the <th> in the second column is
not read by jaws13 when using the Ctrl+Alt+5 command.

Thanks,
Jesse

<table> <tr> <th scope="col">Day</th> <th
scope="col">Week</th> <th scope="col">Year</th> </tr>
<tr> <td>Monday</td> <th >2012</th>
<td>10</td> </tr> <tr> <th >1982</th>
<td>Wednesday</td> <td>9</td> </tr> <tr>
<th>2000</th> <td>Thursday</td> <td>15</td>
</tr> </table> <table> <tr> <th id="dy">Day</th>
<th id="wk">Week</th> <th id="yr">Year</th> </tr>
<tr> <td headers="dy th3">Monday</td> <th
id="th3">2012</th> <td headers="yr th3">10</td> </tr>
</table>


On 5/7/12 5:12 PM, "Stella Mudd" < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

I believe if you remove the scope="row", cells to the left and right should
be read. Give it a try and let us know. Thanks!!

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jesse Hausler
< <EMAIL REMOVED> >wrote:

> A colleague and I were playing around with simple tables today. There
> are header cells for all of the columns with scope="col". For the row
> headers , the second column of cells are marked as TH scope="row", and
> not the first column. Pseudo-code below:
>
> <table>
> <tr>
> <th scope="col">col 1</th>
> <th scope="col">col 2</th>
> <th scope="col">col 3</th>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td>data1</td>
> <th scope="row">row header1</th>
> <td>data2</td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td>data3</td>
> <th scope="row">row header2</th>
> <td>data4</td>
> </tr>
> </table>
>
> When navigating the table using JAWS, we found that the row headers
> were only read on data cells to the right of the row heading. For
> instance, if I am navigated to the cell with text, "data1" and press
> Ctrl+Alt+5 - I am only being told the heading "Col 1". If I am on the
> Ctrl+Alt+cell
with text, "data2"
> and press that command - I am told my headings are "col 3, row header1".
>
> Any thoughts? We often place our row headers in the second column and
> place actions in the first column.
>
> Thanks,
> Jesse
>
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