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Re: Tables with Header cells in the second column, not the first

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From: Jesse Hausler
Date: May 8, 2012 6:10PM

Sounds good. I'll see if I can inform Freedom Scientific.

I tested in NVDA. It's very inconsistent. It pretty much always reads the column headers, but only sometimes reads the row headers. But sometimes it does read the row header for my data cell to the left of my <th>... So there's something.

Take care,
Jesse




On 5/8/12 5:04 PM, "lucia greco" < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

Ok I had to know.
I went to the web training pages for jaws and you have a bug with jaws.
Smile
Even on their sample table ware the second Colom is the header it does not
speak the header. I so rarely find a well-marked up table I was confusing
what does happen with what should happen. Yes the ctrl alt 5 does read the
header. But not in the first Colom. Even on their sample tables smile .
sorry sometimes I need to step back and remember that the norm is bad code
not good code and sometimes it's just that the screen reader also can be at
fault smile

Lucia Greco
Assistive Technology Specialist
UC Berkeley
http://attlc.berkeley.edu
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu


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[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Jesse Hausler
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Tables with Header cells in the second column, not the
first

For me it's always announced the headers of a cell in one tone and changed
to higher (or maybe it's lower) pitch to announce the content of the cell.

Is there a different command I should be using to query the AT for my
headers?

Jesse

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Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Tables with Header cells in the second column, not the
first

Hi:
The ctrl alt 5 command reads the current cell I don't think it is meant to
speak the

Lucia Greco
Assistive Technology Specialist
UC Berkeley
http://attlc.berkeley.edu
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Jesse Hausler
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:10 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Tables with Header cells in the second column, not the
first

Ryan and Stella,

I tried both of your suggestions but have found no success. Any other
thoughts? Here is my code. In both cases the <th> in the second column is
not read by jaws13 when using the Ctrl+Alt+5 command.

Thanks,
Jesse

<table> <tr> <th scope="col">Day</th> <th
scope="col">Week</th> <th scope="col">Year</th> </tr>
<tr> <td>Monday</td> <th >2012</th>
<td>10</td> </tr> <tr> <th >1982</th>
<td>Wednesday</td> <td>9</td> </tr> <tr>
<th>2000</th> <td>Thursday</td> <td>15</td>
</tr> </table> <table> <tr> <th id="dy">Day</th>
<th id="wk">Week</th> <th id="yr">Year</th> </tr>
<tr> <td headers="dy th3">Monday</td> <th
id="th3">2012</th> <td headers="yr th3">10</td> </tr>
</table>


On 5/7/12 5:12 PM, "Stella Mudd" < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

I believe if you remove the scope="row", cells to the left and right should
be read. Give it a try and let us know. Thanks!!

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jesse Hausler
< <EMAIL REMOVED> >wrote:

> A colleague and I were playing around with simple tables today. There
> are header cells for all of the columns with scope="col". For the row
> headers , the second column of cells are marked as TH scope="row", and
> not the first column. Pseudo-code below:
>
> <table>
> <tr>
> <th scope="col">col 1</th>
> <th scope="col">col 2</th>
> <th scope="col">col 3</th>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td>data1</td>
> <th scope="row">row header1</th>
> <td>data2</td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td>data3</td>
> <th scope="row">row header2</th>
> <td>data4</td>
> </tr>
> </table>
>
> When navigating the table using JAWS, we found that the row headers
> were only read on data cells to the right of the row heading. For
> instance, if I am navigated to the cell with text, "data1" and press
> Ctrl+Alt+5 - I am only being told the heading "Col 1". If I am on the
> Ctrl+Alt+cell
with text, "data2"
> and press that command - I am told my headings are "col 3, row header1".
>
> Any thoughts? We often place our row headers in the second column and
> place actions in the first column.
>
> Thanks,
> Jesse
>
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