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Re: Is use of <label> and title redundant?

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From: Sailesh Panchang
Date: Nov 10, 2012 5:53PM

As per WCAG2 techniques, title on form controls should be used when
visible label is not present ... i.e. when purpose of form control is
obvious generally to sighted users / as per UI design.
(If purpose is not obvious visually, then the fix is to incorporate a
visual text label for the benefit of all users).

Using title in these situations mainly to convey purpose of control to
non-sighted users is well supported by browsers and AT, both recent
and legacy ones.
Title is also available via mouseover to some sighted users who might
need them.
I do not recommend using off-screen label: it is more work and code
and not available to anyone except screen reader / magnification users
unless CSS is turned off.
Sailesh Panchang
Deque Systems


On 11/9/12, Michael R. Burks < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> I would like to add that we should code to the standards, not to a specific
> type of Assistive Technology.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mike Burks
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> It has not been my experience that title attributes work well with Dragon
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> Sincerely,
>
> Mike Burks
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> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Ryan E. Benson
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> Léonie Watson wrote:
>> Most screen readers don't acknowledge the title attribute by default,
>> although they can be configured to do so. VoiceOver is the exception I
>> think.
> ZoomText (v9.5 at least) will read the title attribute instead of the
> label.
> The same goes with links with a title attribute, it reads the title versus
> linking words.
>
> --
> Ryan E. Benson
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Léonie Watson < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> Angela French wrote:
>> " Is the use of a <label> tag to identify association with a text
>> field and the simultaneous use of the title attribute in the <input>
>> tag redundant, such that it should be avoided? In other words, would
>> a screen reader say the word twice?"
>>
>> Most screen readers don't acknowledge the title attribute by default,
>> although they can be configured to do so. VoiceOver is the exception I
>> think.
>>
>> Assuming the label is visible, it's worth asking what value the title
>> attribute brings in this case?
>>
>>
>> Léonie.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Angela
>> French
>> Sent: 09 November 2012 18:22
>> To: 'WebAim Forum ( <EMAIL REMOVED> )'
>> Subject: [WebAIM] Is use of <label> and title redundant?
>>
>> Hello,
>> Is the use of a <label> tag to identify association with a text field
>> and the simultaneous use of the title attribute in the <input> tag
>> redundant, such that it should be avoided? In other words, would a
>> screen reader say the word twice?
>>
>> Example:
>>
>> <label for="searchfield" class="offscreen"> Search</label><input
>> id="searchfield" type="text" title="Search">
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> Angela French
>> Internet Specialist
>> State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
>> 360-704-4316
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