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Re: Another example of role="alert" not being read by NVDA

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From: Susan Grossman
Date: May 16, 2013 2:54PM

We are lucky to have a skilled, good natured JAWS user who can test and do
screen shares - and give me pointers without laughing at me too much. But
I'm a contractor and don't always have that luxury.

When I test, I keep the short-keys handy, turn off my monitor, set my mouse
aside and test things like link lists or navigating by headings mostly.
Of course I do know what the pages look like. Some things you just have to
listen to - there may be odd code you don't see that JAWS will read that
you'll have to track down.

Learned to keep JAWS default. Not everyone turns on title tags, etc. A lot
of users do customize, but the variance is pretty high, so default is best.

A lot of the testing is done by looking at source code, running validators
(1st rule is valid HTML, and browser tools - the table and aria views are
nice. Also turn off styles to see reading order, tab through, etc.

And some things you can't find with a screen reader. For instance, you can
get into some modals in JAWS that you can't get in with just a keyboard.
Tabbing order may be set and not follow reading order, color contrast may
be incorrect for the font size, and so forth.


Susan


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Steve Green <
<EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> As far as I am aware JAWS has always shipped with a printed manual and a
> cassette tape as well as the Braille manual - it certainly has in every
> version we have bought since version 7. Of course I have no idea if the
> printed version is the same as the Braille one.
>
> Steve Green
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:
> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Angela French
> Sent: 16 May 2013 20:37
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by
> NVDA
>
> Once, where I worked years ago, we had a lab with JAWS in it. I didn't
> know how to use it and the manual that came with it was in Braille. I am
> sighted so that did me no good. Do they still ship with just a Braille
> manual?
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:webaim-forum-
> > <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom
> >Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:29 PM
> >To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> >Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by
> >NVDA
> >
> >Adobe has a white paper that teaches how to use JAWS and Window-Eyes.
> >http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/pdfs/accessing-pdf-sr.pdf
> >
> >Very helpful for developers so that they become familiar with JAWS and
> >how it is used.
> >But as someone else said, real testing should be done by a JAWS user.
> >We developers can only test the "light" stuff.
> >
> >As a developer/designer, I use JAWS throughout development to test
> >reading order, make sure that the document structure is correct, and
> >that graphics and their Alt-text read correctly. Especially helpful
> >when dealing with very complex designs, such as multiple column layouts
> >in Word/InDesign/PDFs, tables, sidebars, etc. I can quickly find errors
> >and fix them before the document goes to the reviewer/tester.
> >
> >Testing navigation issues, headings, etc. is best done by a skilled
> >JAWS tester, not me!
> >
> >-Bevi Chagnon
> >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >- -
> >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >www.PubCom.com - Trainers, Consultants, Designers, Developers.
> >Print, Web, Acrobat, XML, eBooks, and U.S. Federal Section 508
> Accessibility.
> >New schedule for classes and workshops coming in 2013.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Akshi Kakar
> >Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:57 PM
> >To: WebAIM Discussion List
> >Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by
> >NVDA
> >
> >Susan,
> >I am going to be involved in testing our compatibility with JAWS but
> >have never tested with it before. How would you suggest we teach
> >ourselves this process of testing? I have used the demo version of JAWS
> >to test before but I am guessing the actual testing should be more
> rigorous.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Akshi
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Susan Grossman [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> >Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:32 PM
> >To: WebAIM Discussion List
> >Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by
> >NVDA
> >
> >Wasn't suggesting JAWS as a permanent testing tool. But if you don't
> >have it, i do recommend testing with it on a single item or two, and
> >then considering purchasing it when you see it handles differently than
> NVDA.
> >
> >Didn't mention the time limit specifically because I don't advocate it
> >as a testing tool. Do own my a personal copy, and have gotten many
> >corporations to purchase it, after showing them how important it is in
> >testing - by getting them to try testing with the trial.
> >
> >If companies never try it for testing, and never see how they would
> >benefit from purchasing it, they won't buy it. That's what a trial is.
> >
> >If I've misinterpreted what trial means, and what the license for
> >long-term testing is saying, tell me.
> >
> >
> >> >> >messages to <EMAIL REMOVED>
>
>
> > > messages to <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > > >



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*Susan R. Grossman*
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