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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Nov 4, 2013 1:16PM

Ryan,
It might be worth highlighting the tools that you can use as I don't find the same increase when doing that testing. Yes, it is a pain if you a looking for tags in Acrobat and there aren't there because the file is a dynamic XFA document, but it should be noted that Livecycle also produces static PDF forms so not all livecycle forms present this challenge.

I tend to use PDDOMView.exe (http://download.macromedia.com/pub/developer/acrobat/acrobat_accessibility_9.1.zip) to view the accessibility information for a PDF, whether from Acrobat or LiveCycle so I don't see any difference in the testing experience there, for me. Your mileage may vary.

If the form you are testing actually needs the dynamic features available in dynamic XFA, then there may be a reason that the forms take longer, which is that they may just be more complex than simple forms. Just as a very dynamic HTML form takes more time to test, so can a dynamic PDF form.

AWK

-----Original Message-----
From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Ryan E. Benson
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 4:48 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Server side (accessible) PDF creation

Andrew - I tend to push people away from LiveCycle as much as possible.
While I have not upgraded to Acrobat XI, *none* of the tools or my standard procedures for testing can be used. As somebody who often has to officially give a green light to something, a PDF made in LiveCycle roughly quadruples my turn-around time.

Alastair - you may want to check out iText. I heard that it can create tagged PDFs. The author seems fairly active on StackOverflow.

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Ryan E. Benson


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick < <EMAIL REMOVED> >wrote:

> I'm saying that the LiveCycle family of products creates tagged PDF
> forms that can support accessibility, both forms and documents without
> interactive controls. For forms, LiveCycle creates XFA and Acroforms,
> as well as creating HTML forms from the same design source file.
>
> AWK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:
> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Olaf Drümmer
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:52 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Server side (accessible) PDF creation
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> are you intending to say LiveCycle is good at creating accessible PDF
> forms, or really accessible PDF documents in general?
>
> And regarding forms: would that be (accessible) LiveCycle forms (also
> known as XFA forms), or also so called (accessible) AcroForms?
>
> Olaf
>
>
> Am 30 Oct 2013 um 15:25 schrieb Andrew Kirkpatrick < <EMAIL REMOVED> >:
>
> > Alastair,
> > Just to chime in on this, if you are looking for the Adobe
> > server-based
> tool, you're looking for Adobe LiveCycle.
> > AWK
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Alastair
> > Campbell
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:24 AM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Server side (accessible) PDF creation
> >
> > Hi Cameron and Schalk,
> >
> > Thanks for those. I couldn't find any references to tagging in
> > either of
> them though?
> >
> > I also couldn't find a PDF to test out on PDFbox, and the first I
> > found
> on Phoenix wasn't tagged (not necessarily a sign it cannot tag, but
> not a good start).
> >
> > I'm not a Java programmer so not in a position to download then and
> create test cases, but I'll pass them on as a possibility for to
> investigate.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Alastair
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