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From: Steve Faulkner
Date: Dec 13, 2013 6:00AM

Hi Alastair,

interesting,

However, I know Bryan has done some testing which prompted him to say: "The
> attribute aria-haspopup should only be used on triggering elements that
> open menus. Otherwise, the presence of the attribute will only misrepresent
> the popup type to screen reader users." (from http://whatsock.com/tsg/)
>


the aria-haspopup state allows authors to set the MSAA
STATE_SYSTEM_HASPOPUP "When invoked, the object displays a pop-up menu or a
window." [1]

While the ARIA spec does define haspop more explicitly than MSAA, and is
generally treated as an indication of the presence of a menu asscoiated
with the control, it is not always treated as such. For example, using JAWS
if a link has aria-haspopup it announces that the link "has pop up" rather
than specifically stating menu/submenu which is the behaviour exhibited
when present on controls and by other AT (not extensively tested).
"Indicates that the element has a popup context menu or sub-level menu." [2]

I have a page with some test cases which may be helpful [3].

I would suggest that the expansion of the meaning of aria-haspopup should
be specified (an issue for ARIA 1.1 [4]). I have sent an email to the PF
list in this regard [5]

[1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd373609%28v=3dvs.85%29.aspx
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/states_and_properties#aria-haspopup
[3] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/377471/aria-haspopup.html
[4] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-1.1/
[5]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2013OctDec/0004.html

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Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>;


On 13 December 2013 09:54, Alastair Campbell < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> I came across an interesting article from Microsoft about an approach they
> are taking, "Using aria-haspopup to simulate hover on touch-enabled
> devices":
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/jj152135%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
>
> At first glance has-popup appears to be a useful indicator that touch
> devices could use to trigger the hover-interaction first, and then a second
> tap activates the control. It would appear to work from that point of view,
> for things like menus which have on-hover states.
>
> However, I know Bryan has done some testing which prompted him to say: "The
> attribute aria-haspopup should only be used on triggering elements that
> open menus. Otherwise, the presence of the attribute will only misrepresent
> the popup type to screen reader users." (from http://whatsock.com/tsg/)
>
> Does anyone foresee problems with this method, in terms of encouraging the
> use of has-popup for non-accessibility reasons?
>
> On the other hand, perhaps it will mean lots more sites will use has-popup,
> at least somewhat appropriately...?
>
> -Alastair
> > > >