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From: deborah.kaplan@suberic.net
Date: Jan 24, 2014 10:55AM

In opera, F9 is blur, so in a form field you can always use F9 to enter navigation mode and leave form mode.

The header navigation is great -- when it works. It has a tendency to be confused by some divs; sometimes it gets trapped. But I still use it frequently.

I sometimes use speech off NVDA for element navigation but unexpected things do happen with the viewable elements on the page. Plus reponse time is very slow. I agree that browser builtins or add-ons would be an easier way to handle this.

Deborah Kaplan
Accessibility Team Co-lead
Dreamwidth Studios

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Bourne, Sarah (ITD) wrote:

> Birkir, when you have focus on a form field, the shortcuts do not work. It enters the letter n or p into the field, or jumps to that letter in a drop-list, etc. When you tab out of the form field, the shortcuts work again.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 12:18 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Keyboard navigation
>
> Sara
>
> What happens when user needs to use the n key when typing into a form field on the page.
> Basically, a keyboar navigation interface needs to allow for the concept of interactive typing and filling in forms, similar to the forms mode in screen readers.
> I absolutely agree that browsers should offer up a more robust support for keyboard only behavior.
> I think that would be a fantastic addition for a lot of people, not just with disabilities but frequent/power users of websites.
> I know the traders at the investment bank I used to work for always used a console mode app for trading stocks because using the keyboard they could pull of trades much more quickly.
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> On 1/24/14, <EMAIL REMOVED> < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> Hi Sailesh,
>> Nice to know about opera support. I'll try that out. Thank you for sharing.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
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>> Sent from my iPhone 4S
>>
>>> On 24-Jan-2014, at 19:30, Sailesh Panchang
>>> < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Srinivasu,
>>> At least one browser (Opera) did permit heading navigation from the
>>> keyboard ... I suppose that is more robust now ... no personal
>>> experience there.
>>> My responses are in the context of the thought in the first email.
>>> And in that context I said that SRs do allow one to work with speech
>>> off.
>>> Sure one can have a user agent that allows keyboard navigation in a
>>> manner that is as robust as SRs allow with no speech funtctionality
>>> at all.
>>> Sailesh
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 1/24/14, <EMAIL REMOVED> < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>>> Sailesh,
>>>> While I agree that's a solution, I'm unsure if a general keyboard
>>>> only user would aware of this. In fact why would they even think of
>>>> a screen reader?
>>>> Since we are all in the accessibility industry, we could think of
>>>> cross disability and aware of AT features across.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I'm not sure if screen reader vendors ever document with
>>>> keywords of other disabilities.
>>>>
>>>> Further, all they would need is a quick navigation feature and why
>>>> would they need to install a screen reader that require investment
>>>> of more space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can we think of a plugin that could just turn on quick navigation
>>>> feature by pressing an access key?
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | PayPal | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 5C
>>>>
>>>>> On 24-Jan-2014, at 16:33, Sailesh Panchang
>>>>> < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Speech off has been built into SRs for the same reason for a long
>>>>> time now.
>>>>> For some aspects, if visual cursor tracking does not work as
>>>>> intended, that's a bug to be fixed.
>>>>> But overall it is the solution you were hoping for as per your
>>>>> first email.
>>>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>>> Sailesh
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/23/14, Don Mauck < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>>>>> I understand that as screen reader myself, however, I'm not
>>>>>> convinced that with speech off, the visual cursor would track
>>>>>> correctly. I'll half to ask some of my visual friends.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Sailesh Panchang [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:57 PM
>>>>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Keyboard navigation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Screen readers do have speech off mode that allow one to do this.
>>>>>> The free NVDA screen reader can help such users.
>>>>>> A decade ago IBM HPR also had this feature. JAWS too works with
>>>>>> speech off.
>>>>>> Sailesh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/23/14, Don Mauck < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi list -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've had an interesting idea proposed to me. With the many folks
>>>>>>> that are not able to use a mouse, yet have no visual issues,
>>>>>>> wouldn't it be a great help if they had some of the same quick
>>>>>>> key navigation abilities such as jumping from headings, button,
>>>>>>> check boxes, radio buttons etc. This would certainly save the
>>>>>>> users a lot of tabbing and arrowing. Just imagine how much
>>>>>>> easier it would be for a user to bring up a list of headings,
>>>>>>> buttons etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As more folks get older and or have permanent wrist injuries, I
>>>>>>> think this kind of keyboard navigation would be quite popular.
>>>>>>> It seems like a screen reader company like FS or GW-micro would
>>>>>>> have a whole new market to tap in to. Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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