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RE: New site -Accessify.com


From: Ian.Lloyd@nationwide.co.uk
Date: Nov 28, 2002 2:00AM


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Thanks for these comments

I realise that there are some things that need fixing - I am updating all
the time, and cleaning up all the time ... chasing tail!

Anyway, Just to cover a couple of points: The Home page (default.asp) is
updated using Blogger which, unfortunately, does not give me an option of
using <br /> - it defaults to <br>. In short, this page will always show
invalid mark-up because of the way it's updated, and there's not a huge
amount I can do about that (unless anyone knows how I can configure Blogger
to do this ... it's not the Pro version)

Also, the splash page is not something I want either. However, the host
decrees that the default document for the server is index.html or index.cfm,
and my pages are ASP. Now, I cannot set the home page as index.html
otherwise the ASP code that works everywhere else will fail on that page.
Problem. I am also very wary about placing a client-side redirect because it
may impact on search engines indexing the site.

I am looking intos a solution that doesn't upset search engines though.

Finally, the Mac/IE5 thing is something I'm aware of, and I've created a new
style sheet for that config which I THINK should work now.

Thanks for the feedback!

Ian Lloyd, Electronic Channels
Nationwide Building Society

tel: 01793-655260
fax: 01793-656368

- -----Original Message-----
Sent: 27 November 2002 18:39
Subject: Re: New site -Accessify.com

Hi Ian:

> http://www.accessify.com/default.asp
> > Please take a look, get involved - the site needs some contributorss for
> articles, tutorials and even links.
> > Hope you like

Nice resource. Thanks for making it easy to find the tools you've already
made available, and for encouraging others to share. I like that you are
doing more than just linking to other sites and articles on the web, but
attempting to create new and compelling content. For that I applaud you, and
wish you luck.

A few issues, however, that you may want to address.

Looking at it on Mac/IE5, on your two "fancier" layouts, the
#maincontenttext DIV is rendered underneath the rest of the page, and the
paragraphs are constrained to a very narrow column with only one or two
words per line. Not sure what is happening with the CSS there. I checked
your XHTML and CSS against the validators, and there were some issues with
both. Fixing them (mostly forgetting to close your <br /> tags in the XHTML)
might fix the problem in IE5/Mac. (I can send a screenshot if you want.)

Also, I'd do away with the splash page and make your default.asp page the
root level page.

And I'd go for even more semantic markup. For example, you use a structure
such as:

<p><strong>Some text that should really be a heading</strong><br />
The rest of the paragraph goes here.</p>

A better structure would be:

<h2>Some text that should really be a heading</h2>
<p>The rest of the paragraph goes here.</p>

And then style the H2s and Ps accordingly. This will greatly enhance
accessibility for those screen readers who like to scan a page by reading
only the headers.

Likewise I'd consider marking up your lists of links as ULs (or OLs) and
styling them the way you'd like them to appear on the page. Again, this will
increase both accessibility and usability for those who use their screen
reader to find lists on the page.

And, increasing the structure in your page actually makes it easier to

I know you didn't ask for a critique, so I hope I haven't overstepped my
bounds here - just trying to be helpful :) and actually, once the IE5/Mac
display issues are cleared up, it is something I'd like to promote on my web


- -- Mark Newhouse
css layouts, tips, tricks and techniques

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