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Re: Screen reader indications of underlined or strike-through text

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From: Sean Curtis
Date: Jun 17, 2014 6:00PM

I've just done some testing and the results are a little depressing. The
HTML I tested was:

<p>Accessibility is really <del>hard</del><ins>easy</ins>.</p>

Results:

- VoiceOver in Safari, Chrome, and Firefox: the text was read, but no
special inflection was made to differentiate them.
- NVDA (2014.1) in IE/Firefox/Chrome: the same as VoiceOver
- JAWS 15 in IE/Firefox/Chrome: as above, however there's a special
reading mode which did add inflection to them (see
http://blog.paciellogroup.com/2008/02/screen-readers-lack-emphasis/)

My recommendation is to use the <del> and <ins> elements and raise bugs
with each of the relevant screen readers.

Cheers,

Sean


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Yes I agree but the keyboard commands for how to do the same things differ
> in each screen reader. I was not saying it was good that they are
> different but can't help tell them by telling them how to do it in one
> when they are using the other smile.
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Whitney
> Quesenbery
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 4:36 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Screen reader indications of underlined or
> strike-through text
>
> This is legal document markup? Hideous stuff for anyone to read.
>
> Could someone who is more of a Word maven write a script or macro to turn
> word Underline and Strikeover into <del> and <ins>?
>
> I ask because it's my bet that the HTML is straight from a Word document,
> and if you can't make the transformation accurately repeatable, you won't
> be able to use it because it will add to the process of vetting the
> markup.
>
>
> To Lucy: standards, standards, standards. This doesn't sound like
> something that should be tailored for a specific brand of screen reader.
> But I'd be tempted to include a "how to" note to tell sr users how to set
> up their AT instead.
>
> Whitney
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Witch screen reader are your students using Each one does it a little
> > differently
> >
> > Lucia Greco
> > Web Accessibility Evangelist
> > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of
> > California, Berkeley
> > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> > Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Dana
> > Douglas
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:03 PM
> > To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > Subject: [WebAIM] Screen reader indications of underlined or
> > strike-through text
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > We've come across an interesting issue regarding how screen readers
> > indicate underlined or strike-through text on a web page. In the
> > context (legal documentation), this kind of information is vital to
> > the user so they can tell what text has been removed (strike-through)
> > and what text has been added (underline). From what we can tell, aside
> > from hard coding this information into the site, it is our
> > understanding that you can typically change a setting in your screen
> > reader to have it indicate "begin underline" and "end underline" at
> > the beginning and end of a section of underlined (or strike-through)
> > text. Does anyone know if there are also settings for changing the
> > pitch or volume to indicate such or would that be too confusing with
> > pitch changes for upper-case and lower-case letters and words?
> >
> > Otherwise, does anyone know of any different ways to provide this type
> > of indication? Any insight or suggestions are welcome!
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Dana Douglas
> >
> > > > > > list messages to <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > > > > > list messages to <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >
> > > messages to <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > > >