WebAIM - Web Accessibility In Mind

E-mail List Archives

Re: Screen reader indications of underlined or strike-through text

for

From: David Ashleydale
Date: Jun 17, 2014 6:22PM

For something that completely unsupported, wouldn't the recommendation be
to shore it up with some hidden text? Especially for legal documents. A
misunderstand of what has been crossed could be critical.

David

On Tuesday, June 17, 2014, Sean Curtis < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> I've just done some testing and the results are a little depressing. The
> HTML I tested was:
>
> <p>Accessibility is really <del>hard</del><ins>easy</ins>.</p>
>
> Results:
>
> - VoiceOver in Safari, Chrome, and Firefox: the text was read, but no
> special inflection was made to differentiate them.
> - NVDA (2014.1) in IE/Firefox/Chrome: the same as VoiceOver
> - JAWS 15 in IE/Firefox/Chrome: as above, however there's a special
> reading mode which did add inflection to them (see
> http://blog.paciellogroup.com/2008/02/screen-readers-lack-emphasis/)
>
> My recommendation is to use the <del> and <ins> elements and raise bugs
> with each of the relevant screen readers.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED>
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > Yes I agree but the keyboard commands for how to do the same things
> differ
> > in each screen reader. I was not saying it was good that they are
> > different but can't help tell them by telling them how to do it in one
> > when they are using the other smile.
> >
> > Lucia Greco
> > Web Accessibility Evangelist
> > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> > University of California, Berkeley
> > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> > Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>
> > [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>] On Behalf
> Of Whitney
> > Quesenbery
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 4:36 PM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Screen reader indications of underlined or
> > strike-through text
> >
> > This is legal document markup? Hideous stuff for anyone to read.
> >
> > Could someone who is more of a Word maven write a script or macro to turn
> > word Underline and Strikeover into <del> and <ins>?
> >
> > I ask because it's my bet that the HTML is straight from a Word document,
> > and if you can't make the transformation accurately repeatable, you won't
> > be able to use it because it will add to the process of vetting the
> > markup.
> >
> >
> > To Lucy: standards, standards, standards. This doesn't sound like
> > something that should be tailored for a specific brand of screen reader.
> > But I'd be tempted to include a "how to" note to tell sr users how to set
> > up their AT instead.
> >
> > Whitney
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED>
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > Witch screen reader are your students using Each one does it a little
> > > differently
> > >
> > > Lucia Greco
> > > Web Accessibility Evangelist
> > > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of
> > > California, Berkeley
> > > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> > > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> > > Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>
> > > [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Dana
> > > Douglas
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:03 PM
> > > To: <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>
> > > Subject: [WebAIM] Screen reader indications of underlined or
> > > strike-through text
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > We've come across an interesting issue regarding how screen readers
> > > indicate underlined or strike-through text on a web page. In the
> > > context (legal documentation), this kind of information is vital to
> > > the user so they can tell what text has been removed (strike-through)
> > > and what text has been added (underline). From what we can tell, aside
> > > from hard coding this information into the site, it is our
> > > understanding that you can typically change a setting in your screen
> > > reader to have it indicate "begin underline" and "end underline" at
> > > the beginning and end of a section of underlined (or strike-through)
> > > text. Does anyone know if there are also settings for changing the
> > > pitch or volume to indicate such or would that be too confusing with
> > > pitch changes for upper-case and lower-case letters and words?
> > >
> > > Otherwise, does anyone know of any different ways to provide this type
> > > of indication? Any insight or suggestions are welcome!
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > > Dana Douglas
> > >
> > > > > > > > > list messages to <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>
> > > > > > > > > list messages to <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>
> > >
> > > > > > messages to <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>
> > > > > > > >
> > > >