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Re: Screen reader indications of underlined or strike-through text

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From: Sean Curtis
Date: Jun 17, 2014 6:28PM

I tried using aria-describedby on them, but none of it was read because the
elements don't have any special roles, and thus are not focused. I'd be
concerned about putting "hidden text" in there because while it might
prevent confusion for screen readers, you'd have to be very careful that
the content was never printed or output visually. I'd be more concerned
about that level of confusion than confusion for screen readers.

Cheers,

Sean


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 10:22 AM, David Ashleydale < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
wrote:

> For something that completely unsupported, wouldn't the recommendation be
> to shore it up with some hidden text? Especially for legal documents. A
> misunderstand of what has been crossed could be critical.
>
> David
>
> On Tuesday, June 17, 2014, Sean Curtis < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > I've just done some testing and the results are a little depressing. The
> > HTML I tested was:
> >
> > <p>Accessibility is really <del>hard</del><ins>easy</ins>.</p>
> >
> > Results:
> >
> > - VoiceOver in Safari, Chrome, and Firefox: the text was read, but no
> > special inflection was made to differentiate them.
> > - NVDA (2014.1) in IE/Firefox/Chrome: the same as VoiceOver
> > - JAWS 15 in IE/Firefox/Chrome: as above, however there's a special
> > reading mode which did add inflection to them (see
> > http://blog.paciellogroup.com/2008/02/screen-readers-lack-emphasis/)
> >
> > My recommendation is to use the <del> and <ins> elements and raise bugs
> > with each of the relevant screen readers.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes I agree but the keyboard commands for how to do the same things
> > differ
> > > in each screen reader. I was not saying it was good that they are
> > > different but can't help tell them by telling them how to do it in one
> > > when they are using the other smile.
> > >
> > > Lucia Greco
> > > Web Accessibility Evangelist
> > > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> > > University of California, Berkeley
> > > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> > > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> > > Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>
> > > [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>] On Behalf
> > Of Whitney
> > > Quesenbery
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 4:36 PM
> > > To: WebAIM Discussion List
> > > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Screen reader indications of underlined or
> > > strike-through text
> > >
> > > This is legal document markup? Hideous stuff for anyone to read.
> > >
> > > Could someone who is more of a Word maven write a script or macro to
> turn
> > > word Underline and Strikeover into <del> and <ins>?
> > >
> > > I ask because it's my bet that the HTML is straight from a Word
> document,
> > > and if you can't make the transformation accurately repeatable, you
> won't
> > > be able to use it because it will add to the process of vetting the
> > > markup.
> > >
> > >
> > > To Lucy: standards, standards, standards. This doesn't sound like
> > > something that should be tailored for a specific brand of screen
> reader.
> > > But I'd be tempted to include a "how to" note to tell sr users how to
> set
> > > up their AT instead.
> > >
> > > Whitney
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Witch screen reader are your students using Each one does it a little
> > > > differently
> > > >
> > > > Lucia Greco
> > > > Web Accessibility Evangelist
> > > > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of
> > > > California, Berkeley
> > > > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> > > > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> > > > Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>
> > > > [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>] On
> > Behalf Of Dana
> > > > Douglas
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:03 PM
> > > > To: <EMAIL REMOVED> <javascript:;>
> > > > Subject: [WebAIM] Screen reader indications of underlined or
> > > > strike-through text
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > We've come across an interesting issue regarding how screen readers
> > > > indicate underlined or strike-through text on a web page. In the
> > > > context (legal documentation), this kind of information is vital to
> > > > the user so they can tell what text has been removed (strike-through)
> > > > and what text has been added (underline). From what we can tell,
> aside
> > > > from hard coding this information into the site, it is our
> > > > understanding that you can typically change a setting in your screen
> > > > reader to have it indicate "begin underline" and "end underline" at
> > > > the beginning and end of a section of underlined (or strike-through)
> > > > text. Does anyone know if there are also settings for changing the
> > > > pitch or volume to indicate such or would that be too confusing with
> > > > pitch changes for upper-case and lower-case letters and words?
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise, does anyone know of any different ways to provide this
> type
> > > > of indication? Any insight or suggestions are welcome!
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > >
> > > > Dana Douglas
> > > >
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