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From: Bryan Garaventa
Date: Sep 8, 2014 3:54PM

I understand what you mean, but the intent isn't to confuse anybody, but to prove a conceptual point; this being that only a total lack of information is 100% accessible to all people equally, and that all web accessibility must as a result scale downwards from that absolute point. Since the page has no practical purpose at all, and provides nothing to anybody, everybody receives the same amount of information, and it is thus compliant with all standards because no population receives any more information than any other, making it equally accessible to all.

As I've said, it's just a thought experiment to prove the point.

If you personally were going to try and represent this concept to people using a web page, keeping in mind that it is a thought experiment so you can't explain all of this in advance, how would you set up the page to show this?


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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] two worthwhile reads

Not sure where to jump in. When Bryan posted this, I disagreed with him with this test being accessible to all. Here's why : My parents have a poor internet connection, their computer is decent. Sites like Facebook can take a minute plus to load. So clicking on this link, and getting a blank page is nothing new. But won't they see the wheel not spinning? Nope, tried explaining that to my mom before, got no where. I would give her about 5 minutes before just giving up, with the assumption of her net being dumb.
Would that be considered accessible? I'd say no, because some would know the page is supposed to be blank, and others wouldn't. Wouldn't this be a violation of a core WCAG Principle?

Another example is a person who came into my workplace who'd at times get visibly upset at times when a page take a while to load. I won't say his disability, but he would then analyze why somebody would put up a blank page online. After a while he may get the joke.


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On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Karl Groves < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> "do web accessibility professionals have a sense of humour?"
>
> It appears not.
>
> Sad, really.
>
> Denis Boudreau recently asked "A question for y'all this morning: why
> do you think people feel that web accessibility is so hard?"
> (https://twitter.com/dboudreau/status/508275085942464512)
>
> Here's why I think it is so hard: because accessibility people expect
> perfection and they're so willing to name and shame people who aren't
> perfect. Accessibility people are constantly fighting among each
> other and looking for stuff to complain about.
>
> Bryan tried posting something humorous. Yeah, it was off-topic for the
> mailing list, but who cares? I'd rather see humor on WAI-IG than
> another idiotic debate about whether everything needs to work on Lynx
> or not.
>
> People need to stop looking around every corner for the next thing
> that offends them and start looking for real, tangible, impactful ways
> to advance accessibility into the mainstream.
>
> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Jennison Mark Asuncion
> < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Once again, WebAIM has done great work and has published salary and
> > other useful insights into working in digital accessibility. Results
> > of their summer survey are here
> > http://webaim.org/projects/practitionersurvey/
> >
> > I also came across this piece and thought I'd share it. The '100%
> > accessible website' joke--do web accessibility professionals have a
> > sense of humour?
> >
> http://www.accessiq.org/news/w3c-column/2014/09/the-100-accessible-web
> site-joke-do-web-accessibility-professionals-have-a
> >
> > Jennison
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