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Re: two worthwhile reads

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From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Sep 8, 2014 4:39PM

If it is a thought experiment, shouldn't you purposely leave out details to
see what people's reactions would be?

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Ryan E. Benson

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Bryan Garaventa <
<EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> I understand what you mean, but the intent isn't to confuse anybody, but
> to prove a conceptual point; this being that only a total lack of
> information is 100% accessible to all people equally, and that all web
> accessibility must as a result scale downwards from that absolute point.
> Since the page has no practical purpose at all, and provides nothing to
> anybody, everybody receives the same amount of information, and it is thus
> compliant with all standards because no population receives any more
> information than any other, making it equally accessible to all.
>
> As I've said, it's just a thought experiment to prove the point.
>
> If you personally were going to try and represent this concept to people
> using a web page, keeping in mind that it is a thought experiment so you
> can't explain all of this in advance, how would you set up the page to show
> this?
>
>
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>
> Not sure where to jump in. When Bryan posted this, I disagreed with him
> with this test being accessible to all. Here's why : My parents have a poor
> internet connection, their computer is decent. Sites like Facebook can take
> a minute plus to load. So clicking on this link, and getting a blank page
> is nothing new. But won't they see the wheel not spinning? Nope, tried
> explaining that to my mom before, got no where. I would give her about 5
> minutes before just giving up, with the assumption of her net being dumb.
> Would that be considered accessible? I'd say no, because some would know
> the page is supposed to be blank, and others wouldn't. Wouldn't this be a
> violation of a core WCAG Principle?
>
> Another example is a person who came into my workplace who'd at times get
> visibly upset at times when a page take a while to load. I won't say his
> disability, but he would then analyze why somebody would put up a blank
> page online. After a while he may get the joke.
>
>
> --
> Ryan E. Benson
>
> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Karl Groves < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > "do web accessibility professionals have a sense of humour?"
> >
> > It appears not.
> >
> > Sad, really.
> >
> > Denis Boudreau recently asked "A question for y'all this morning: why
> > do you think people feel that web accessibility is so hard?"
> > (https://twitter.com/dboudreau/status/508275085942464512)
> >
> > Here's why I think it is so hard: because accessibility people expect
> > perfection and they're so willing to name and shame people who aren't
> > perfect. Accessibility people are constantly fighting among each
> > other and looking for stuff to complain about.
> >
> > Bryan tried posting something humorous. Yeah, it was off-topic for the
> > mailing list, but who cares? I'd rather see humor on WAI-IG than
> > another idiotic debate about whether everything needs to work on Lynx
> > or not.
> >
> > People need to stop looking around every corner for the next thing
> > that offends them and start looking for real, tangible, impactful ways
> > to advance accessibility into the mainstream.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Jennison Mark Asuncion
> > < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Once again, WebAIM has done great work and has published salary and
> > > other useful insights into working in digital accessibility. Results
> > > of their summer survey are here
> > > http://webaim.org/projects/practitionersurvey/
> > >
> > > I also came across this piece and thought I'd share it. The '100%
> > > accessible website' joke--do web accessibility professionals have a
> > > sense of humour?
> > >
> > http://www.accessiq.org/news/w3c-column/2014/09/the-100-accessible-web
> > site-joke-do-web-accessibility-professionals-have-a
> > >
> > > Jennison
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> >
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> > Karl Groves
> > www.karlgroves.com
> > @karlgroves
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlgroves
> > Phone: +1 410.541.6829
> >
> > Modern Web Toolsets and Accessibility
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uq6Db47-Ks
> >
> > www.tenon.io
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