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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Feb 19, 2015 2:50PM

Ryan,
Comments below.

I was trying to cut out the jargon. Most people do not know there are styles and tags within inDesign, in my experience. If they just make a style, and lazily name it h1, that gets exported and mapped to P - in the two sample files I tried - in CS6. The user has 3 options. 1- properly named styles. 2- Open up the style, choose the right tag via export tag options. 3- open the tags pane, use the map styles to tags option, and map it. This assumes the user opened up the structure pane, and used the "add untagged items" option. This also creates the known tags to inDesign - which is 9.

> InDesign supports a a lot of standard PDF tags.
9 of 34 is 26%. Not sure if you call that a lot. Now if a user sets up their document properly, and use the built in features, of course that goes up. In my experience, working with designers, who have a degree, and trained inDesign, don't do or know this.

Off hand I count:
P
H
H1
H2
H3
H4
H5
H6
TABLE
THEAD
TBODY
TR
TH
TD
LIST
LI
SPAN
Document
Article
Section


Which makes 20. There are a number of inline styles that aren't supported (e.g. code, quote) and there may be others that are supported that I'm not sure of (e.g. TOC).

I think that the situation is a little better than you are characterizing.

AWK

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Ryan E. Benson

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Olaf Drümmer < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
>
> On 18 Feb 2015, at 23:50, Ryan E. Benson < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > InDesign only recognizes a handful of standard PDF tags. I can't
> > find the list right now, but I am pretty sure it is in the help.
> > InDesign knows <Table>, <Tr> and <Td>, for example, but not <TH> or
> > something like
> that.
>
> it does handle <TH> quite well (at least for column headers).
>
> > PDF tags are case sensitive, so if you create an h1 Tag for your
> > inDesign document, it gets mapped to the <P> tag in the PDF.
> > However, creating the
> > H1 tag in inDesign, it correctly gets mapped to H1 in the PDF.
>
> nope. What you actually do is do assign a certain tag to your style
> sheet which then gets used during export (and via role mapping in the
> resulting PDF. The list offered here consists of only H1 through H6
> and P (yep, that's it, except for <H> which you do not want to use, and 'Artifact'
> which is not a tag, but can be handy at times). Most other stuff is
> just handled properly by Indesign, at least for stuff like lists and
> tables (with some limitations - e.g. no row headers, no complex table
> structures) and footnotes and figures and links and (CS 6 or newer) form fields.
>
> Some of the glaring omissions are lack of support for table of
> contents (TOC / TOCI), something as easy as Caption, or BlockQuote,
> Quote, Formula (accompanied by lack of support for something like MathML) and a few others.
>
> So the statement
> > InDesign only recognizes a handful of standard PDF tags.
>
> has to be turned into its opposite:
> > InDesign supports a a lot of standard PDF tags.
>
> with the following addition:
> > With some very unfortunate [seemingly easy to implement/support]
> omissions, like support for Caption, or BlockQuote, Quote, Formula and
> a few others.
>
>
> Olaf
>
>
> > > list messages to <EMAIL REMOVED>
>