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Re: Heading order

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From: John Hicks
Date: Sep 30, 2015 8:07AM


Hello

I am not sure I agree with this (actually not sure if I understand the
example given or its explanation).

Going from H4 to H3 is in itself fine, so long as the H4 is the last
"sub-item" of a *preceeding* H3 ... (was that what you meant?)

jumping from Hx to Hx+2 (or more) would seem to be the problem that is most
easily defined, yet if we were following what was in the visual we could
sometimes justify that even. But semantically it is clearly (locally)
wrong.

I'd say it is an accessibility problem by virtue of the use that Jaws and
Voiceover (via the rotor) make of Hx tags. Definitely it is in terms of
1.3.1 and 2.4.10 ...

I am sure another point of view is possible... even likely!


best,
John




2015-09-29 19:32 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Avila < <EMAIL REMOVED> >:

> > We have encountered several instances of improper heading order (e.g. an
> <h4> above an <h3>), but we can't seem to find a firm agreement as to a)
> whether
>
> The deciding factor is whether the missing or incorrect order correctly
> communicates information and relationships that are communicated visually.
> So, an h2 used with a navigation bar used before the main h1 of a page
> would not in my opinion fail WCAG. However, if an h4 was used before an h3
> but visually communicated that it was a lesser importance or lower in the
> structure than that would be a failure.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jonathan
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Schafer, Carmen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:13 PM
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: [WebAIM] Heading order
>
> Dear Colleagues:
> We perform accessibility testing on a variety of websites and
> applications, and hope to get some feedback on how others handle a common
> accessibility concern, improper heading order.
>
> We have encountered several instances of improper heading order (e.g. an
> <h4> above an <h3>), but we can't seem to find a firm agreement as to a)
> whether improper heading order should be cited as an accessibility concern
> or usability/design concern or b) which, if any, of the WCAG 2.0 Success
> Criteria covers improper heading order. We have read articles and attended
> webinars with conflicting information, but we know it can be an issue,
> particularly for screen reader users who navigate by headings.
>
> Would anyone be willing to weigh in and possibly give us a definitive
> answer so we make sure we have the fullest possible understanding of this
> issue and pass it on to developers and others.
>
> Thank you for your time and assistance.
>
> Carmen Schafer
> User Support Analyst, ACT Center
> Division of IT, University of Missouri
>
>
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