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From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Oct 15, 2015 8:29AM

> Is the description of the experience in all cells whether marked Failed / Works / Works fine not sufficient or clear enough?

Sailesh, I would agree with Steve that by marking it as a failure it is implied that it is a screen reader failure or an accessibility failure when instead it's that the browser did not implement the feature for all users. Personally I would find a comparison between the feature as implemented for all users compared to the accessibility experience most helpful.

All, I appreciate everyone's efforts creating these types of matrices -- I create them myself. One thing that I see others do (not you specifically) is make general statements without documenting that nuanced ways things are exposed. That is, I've found with screen readers that things may be announced different with tab than with arrows in browser/virtual cursor mode, etc. So it's very important to document the method of navigation. Another example is how a technique is performed. For example, someone might conclude that aria-live is not work but there are multiple ways to implement dynamic content changes, e.g. display, visibility, node additional removal, text node removal additions, etc. and I've found that the varying methods may have different results. Thus, it is very important for those of us including myself to be very clear on these factors. So this is just something for everyone to keep in mind.

Jonathan

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-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Sailesh Panchang
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:35 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] browsers and screen reader testing

Hello Steve,
Is the description of the experience in all cells whether marked Failed / Works / Works fine not sufficient or clear enough?
Note: my focus is on the screen reader - browser combo experience.
For instance, I have not commented on whether the placeholder text is available visually or has sufficient contrast for non-AT users.

Thanks,
Sailesh Panchang


On 10/15/15, Steve Faulkner < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> http://www.html5accessibility.com/ documents current (June 2015)
> browser accessibility implementation support for many "new" HTML5
> features
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF
> Current Standards Work @W3C
> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w
> 3c/>
>
> On 15 October 2015 at 07:04, Steve Faulkner < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sailesh, thanks for sharing.
>>
>> Suggest it would be useful to note where the tests are 'fails' due to
>> browsers not implementing a particular feature, as these are not 'fails'
>> are they?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> SteveF
>> Current Standards Work @W3C
>> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-
>> w3c/>
>>
>> On 15 October 2015 at 02:42, Sailesh Panchang
>> < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Jennifer,
>>> Thanks for your post.
>>> I have also been experimenting with HTML5 form types over the past
>>> few days. Here is a result of my testing. It only covers a handful
>>> of
>>> HTML5 elements and attributes at present.
>>>
>>> The table is quite packed really with my notes. There is a link to a
>>> test page too.
>>> Warning for non screen reader users: it might help to collapse the
>>> columns for a couple of browsers in the data table so the content is
>>> more easily readable.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you observe something different in the screen
>>> reader behavior.
>>> Here is the link: www.mindoversight.com/demo/Html5ElementTable.php
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sailesh Panchang
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/13/15, Jordan Wilson < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>> > This is incredibly helpful, thanks for posting!
>>> > >>> > From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > on
>>> > behalf of Jennifer Sutton < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:50 PM
>>> > To: WebAIM Discussion List
>>> > Subject: [WebAIM] browsers and screen reader testing
>>> >
>>> > Greetings, WebAIM (and those who aren't on the list and being bcc-ed):
>>> >
>>> > I thought some of you might be interested in these two references
>>> > related to browsers and screen reader testing. I know that a lot
>>> > of us do a lot of testing and develop our own matrices and the
>>> > like, but it would sure be nice if a one-stop resource could be
>>> > kept up-to-date on Git, especially for those who aren't all that
>>> > experienced with screen readers, so may not necessarily know how
>>> > to test correctly, using the most relevant/best combos.
>>> >
>>> > I am sharing these resources in an effort to foster
>>> > cooperation/collaboration in our community, such as via a Git
>>> > resource, if Steve is willing.
>>> >
>>> > Yes, ideas are a dime a dozen, but it often does seem to me as if
>>> > there's a lot of repeated effort. And this doesn't seem to me as
>>> > if it would/should be a "special" "value add" for for--profits.
>>> > This should all be pretty factual.
>>> >
>>> > Sorry, since I'm not currently fully employed, I don't have the
>>> > band width to take on another volunteer effort. I will continue to
>>> > do what I can, though.
>>> >
>>> > My two cents for the day.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks, as always, to Steve and TPG for so freely sharing their
>>> > efforts.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Jennifer
>>> >
>>> > Rough Guide: browsers, operating systems and screen reader support
>>> > –
>>> Updated
>>> > Rough Guide: browsers, operating systems and screen reader support
>>> > – Updated
>>> >
>>> https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2014/10/rough-guide-browsers-oper
>>> ating-systems-and-screen-reader-support-updated/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > and
>>> >
>>> > Aural UI of HTML Elements:
>>> > http://thepaciellogroup.github.io/AT-browser-tests/
>>> > >>> > >>> > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>> > >>> >
>>> >>> >>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>> >>>
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