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Re: FW: Do Flash player crashes more often with NVDA?

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From: sucharu
Date: Jul 19, 2016 1:25AM

Hey!
Looking for feedback from all the Accessibility Experts.

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Subject: Do Flash player crashes more often with NVDA?



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Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Do lack of labels for input forms affect users depending on "speech input"

Hello All,
I wish to learn whether Jaws has a role in making flash accessible as I experience NVDA crashes with flash player more often as compared to JAWS.

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Marc Solomon
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 12:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Do lack of labels for input forms affect users depending on "speech input"

In my experience, the user can also say "click" followed by an input type (e.g. text field, check box, etc.). Dragon will then number all of the controls with that role on the page. The user can then say "choose 1" or "choose 2". This technique is not as efficient as saying "click <label>" to focus a form field directly. But, it should be more efficient than using the mouse grid.
HTH,
Marc

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Lucy Greco
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Do lack of labels for input forms affect users depending on "speech input"

to confurm that this only works if the lable is asosiated if it is not
then dragon users must fall back on the mouse grid witch is painfull

Lucia Greco
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IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley
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On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Re Dragon Naturally speaking, and I may be speaking somewhat out of my
> hindquarters here.
> I believe users can tell Dragon to fill in or focus on field "x" where
> "x" is the text that appears to be the label for the field.
>
> If the text is programmatically designated as the label for that
> field, I expect that process would be more likely to work.
> Cheers
> -Birkir
>
>
> On 7/13/16, Lovely, Brian (CONT) < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > ...and 5. Everybody else.
> >
> > It's very easy when developing to forget that you've read the specs,
> looked
> > at the designs, asked questions at meetings, but users have not.
> > It's a separate skill to be able to set aside what you know and then
> > see what
> the
> > available information actually tells you. ...and to remember that
> > not everyone participates in the same culture, so not everyone
> > understands
> the
> > same symbols and patterns. Is there really anything about a
> > hamburger
> menu
> > that communicates its purpose? A user who is unfamiliar with the
> > Internet may not think to click it, or may be afraid to click on
> > things to see
> what
> > happens.
> >
> > There is no "us and them" in accessibility. (unless I've been
> > spelling it incorrectly, which is always a possibility)
> >
> >
> > Brian Lovely
> > Digital Accessibility Team
> > <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:04 AM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Do lack of labels for input forms affect users
> > depending on "speech input"
> >
> > Suchuru,
> > Did you mean users who depend on speech input such as speech
> > recognition (dranon naturally speaking) or did you actually meant to
> > say users who depend on speech output (meaning screen reading
> > software such as NVDA,
> JAWS
> > etc.,)
> >
> > But in general, lack of form labels affects:
> > 1. Blind users
> > 2. Low vision users
> > 3. Users with cognitive disabilities 4. Users using refreshable
> > Braille displays 5. Elderly
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > -Srinivasu
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/
> > Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com
> >
> > Let's create an inclusive web!
> >
> > Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica Hon. Joint Secretary, The
> > National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:26 PM, sucharu
> > < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >> Do lack of labels for input forms affect users depending on speech
> >> input for their interaction.
> >> As per WCAG ,
> >> 1. screen reader users
> >> 2. low vision/ people with motor impairments get affected.
> >> Are thereany other disabilities' groups those get affected?
> >> Best,
> >> Sucharu
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> >> Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 10:31 PM
> >> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] How JAWS provides labels for unlabelled forms
> >> in some scenario's
> >>
> >> While you are correct that in applications that have accessibility
> >> designed correctly, there is an Accessibility Label for any
> >> graphical items of significance to the user.
> >>
> >> Beyond the UIA/MSAA/HTML labels used to describe graphics, JAWS can
> >> In Excel charts glean the information in the chart by querying the
> >> Chart object, in applications with static graphics, JAWS creates or
> >> finds a graphic Id that is a number. It is not clear if this
> >> Graphic ID is based on a hashing of the underlying digital
> >> information in the graphic, or if it is somehow associated with
> >> information within the Windows OS. In any case, one can associate
> >> individual graphic IDs with a text label in the "jcf" file for a
> >> specific application. There is a JAWS shortcut insert-G that will
> >> label the graphic under the mouse when you have the JAWS cursor enabled.
> >> Best Wishes,
> >>
> >>
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12 July 2016 at 08:57, Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
> >> <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I don't think there is anything public about how screen readers
> >> > guess form field labels (and they should never have to).
> >> > There are fairly simple things, such as Jaws will likely speak
> >> > any text that is inside same container as the form field,
> >> > especially text that preceeds it.
> >> > In general screen readers will look for text around the form
> >> > field and announce it.
> >> > If form field is laid out in a two-colum table with the form
> >> > field in the second column, Jaws will read the value in the first
> >> > column of same row as the formfield's label.
> >> > You can play around with different placements in HTML and figure
> >> > out what screen readers will do.
> >> > While it is a somewaht interesting exercise I wouldn't spend too
> >> > much time on it, since the whole point is that authors should
> >> > assign the labels explicitly, otherwise the screen readers will
> >> > all guess, and they will inevitably get it wrong some of the time.
> >> > -B
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 7/12/16, sucharu < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >> > > Dear All,
> >> > >
> >> > > I wish to learn about
> >> > >
> >> > > 'how JAWS provides labels for some unlabeled forms in some
> >> > > situations'.I wish to learn about algorithms that JAWS run in
> >> > > order to
> >> meet this.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best,
> >> > >
> >> > > Sucharu
> >> > >
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