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From: Whitney Quesenbery
Date: Aug 9, 2016 6:12AM

Somewhat unrelated: has anyone else who uses GoogleMap directions noticed
that there is sometimes a voice change between a direction that you will
follow soon and one to follow now?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:15 PM Jamous, JP < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Great!
>
> Get it in their lap and let them narrow it down from there. If it is not
> JAWS, they have connections with Microsoft. I filed a bug with them
> regarding Outlook 2013 and they were able to trace it to Microsoft.
> Microsoft assured them that it was fixed in Outlook 2016 365. I'll wait
> till our IT manager deploys Office 2016 365 in the fall. It will be
> interesting to see the result.
>
> Keep us posted about your ticket with them. Good luck.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Shane Anderson
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 10:06 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Mysterious JAWS voice change
>
> JP - You might be right. But it seems impossible to tell for certain if
> the cause originates with JAWS or IE. I'll file a bug with Freedom
> Scientific.
>
> I wondered the same thing about zip code as Chaals and others noted but it
> occurs with any number of digits above the "speak single digits" setting as
> Birkir noted (which just happens to default to 5).
>
> I copied and pasted 1234567890 several times together and it still happens.
> When I add a character the describedby text is read normally.
>
> 1234567890 - yields Rocco's demonic voice.
> 1234567890a - yields the same Jaws voice as currently set.
>
> As JP noted this occurs anywhere there is aria-describedby text and a
> number longer than or the same as the "speak single digits" setting. And
> it's only happening with IE.
>
> A few other odd facts:
> - I've found that the voice change doesn't occur inside an iframe. For
> example, when creating test examples on Code Pen or JS Fiddle.
> - Other screen reader users have reported Rocco's demonic in other
> (random?) situations but I can't reproduce it.
>
> Finally, Birkir, "Rocco's demonic voice"? LOL
>
>
> Regards
> Shane Anderson
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Jamous, JP < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > I changed it to 6 digits but the problem continued to occur. However,
> > if I set it to 6 digits and set the SayAll reads by Paragraph, it
> > stops firing up Grandpa when I type 1234 or 12345. The moment I inset
> > 6 digits or more, the voice is back.
> >
> > I tried it with the default settings and it does occur. However, it
> > does not occur in Firefox or Chrome whether I use my settings or the
> > default settings.
> >
> > So it is an issue in IE for sure.
> >
> > I bet it has something to do with the enhancements that they have been
> > adding for Windows 10 and its version of Internet Explorer. On Windows
> > 10 IE is a different beast. Also, if you visit the download page of
> > JAWS and check out the enhancements of JAWS 17, you will notice lots
> > of issues with ARIA in general.
> >
> > That is why I'd recommend taking all of the details from here and
> > emailing them about this constant bug.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> > Behalf of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:05 AM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Mysterious JAWS voice change
> >
> > When Jaws sees 5 digits or more without a separator (like a "," or
> > ".") it stops reading the number as a number and starts announcing
> > individual digits.
> > You can adjust this in the Jaws browser settings (JawsKey-V).
> > then type "numbers" and you will see "number options".
> > The first entry under that is "digit threshold" which is set to 5 by
> > default.
> > That doesn't really answer your question honestly, but if you set this
> > option to 6, would Rocco's demonic voice only start scaring you after
> > 6 digits?
> > If so, the voice change is tied to this setting and that is an
> > important detail if filing a Jaws bug or comment.
> > Heres' the kicker. This never happens in my Jaws (16 or 17 with IE or
> FF).
> > This bug is elusive.
> > -B
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/6/16, Jamous, JP < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > > I wish I knew Shane. I observed it on our company site and other
> > > sites
> > too.
> > >
> > > It seems that the function to change the speaking rate of the
> > > synthesizer is fired up in the IE.jss file. I used that function to
> > > slow JAWS down in one of my scripts to allow it to read the font
> > > size, type and color at a slower speed than the regular one that I use.
> > >
> > > Personally, I think it is a bug that they need to clear up. It
> > > doesn't happen with me all the time. It fires up at random.
> > >
> > > I believe it uses Rocko's or Read's voice in a very low rate and
> > > pitch. That is why you described it as demonic.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> > > Behalf Of Shane Anderson
> > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 4:42 PM
> > > To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > > Subject: [WebAIM] Mysterious JAWS voice change
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > The aria-describedby text for a text input speaks in a low and slow
> > > (some have described it as demonic) voice under certain conditions.
> > > It occurs while running JAWS 17 and IE11 when a 5 digit number (or
> > > the number set in the speak single digits setting) is typed in the
> > > input and the user returns to the field.
> > >
> > > Case in point, if you go to the aria-describedby example at
> > > http://heydonworks.com/practical_aria_examples/#input-tooltip and
> > > type
> > > 12345 in the "Your username" field, then tab away, and then tab
> > > back, the describedby text will read in a lower and slower voice.
> > >
> > > It won't happen if you type in text. It only happens with a number
> > > with 5 or more digits.
> > >
> > > Anyone know what this voice is for?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Shane Anderson
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